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| 04:47 | | * Reiver ponders the best way in order to arrange ones own wiki. |
| 04:49 | < Vornicus> | Arrange as far as pages? |
| 04:49 | <@Reiver> | Arrange as in have set up. |
| 04:49 | < Vornicus> | Oh. |
| 04:50 | < Vornicus> | if you've got a webspace with php running, you can use mediawiki pretty easily |
| 04:50 | | * Reiver is getting to the point in his fiddlings where he's about to set apon D&D with fairly comprehensive changes. |
| 04:50 | <@Reiver> | Yeah, I lack the webspace. I think this is my biggest initial problem. |
| 04:51 | | * Vornicus currently can't afford to add another wiki, he's short enough on space as is. |
| 04:52 | | * Reiver huggles Vorn! Appreciates the offer, but suspects that's for the best. He plans to make this one Public in good time. |
| 04:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | How much space does a wiki take, anyways? |
| 04:52 | <@Reiver> | To be honest, I'm not even sure that a wiki is the way to go. This is an entire website, really |
| 04:53 | <@Reiver> | So what format I want to use is actually an interesting ponderance in its own. |
| 04:53 | < Vornicus> | TF: depends more on the content than on the wiki itself. At a guess, a few megabytes for the base data |
| 04:54 | < Vornicus> | If it's a whole website and you're the only editor, then I highly suggest using normal webpages. |
| 04:54 | <@Reiver> | Hmm. Wikis have a lovely interface for ease of typing, though |
| 04:55 | <@Reiver> | And I have no intention of coding all this stuff by hand. |
| 04:55 | <@Reiver> | It's ... yeah. Er. Essentially, I want to write a D&D 3.75, with !SRD and all. |
| 04:56 | <@Reiver> | This is going to result in a fairly heavily interlinked document, not unlike wikis, etc. |
| 05:02 | < Vornicus> | The main advantage of non-wikis is that they're easy to organize properly. |
| 05:02 | < Shoukanjuu> | How big IS a wiki? |
| 05:03 | < Shoukanjuu> | and how much raffic do you think you'll be getting per month on it |
| 05:04 | <@Reiver> | How much traffic? Absolutely no idea, initially. |
| 05:04 | <@Reiver> | Well, it'll start off at nigh-zero, but popularity may or may not increase suddenly. |
| 05:06 | < Shoukanjuu> | I'd imagine |
| 05:07 | < Shoukanjuu> | I happen to have some webspace |
| 05:07 | < Shoukanjuu> | Stuff I don't exactly need |
| 05:07 | < Shoukanjuu> | But I haven't explored what I can do with it |
| 05:07 | < Vornicus> | Mediawiki /requires/ 40MB of space |
| 05:09 | < Vornicus> | It gets big fast, though - it stores all revisions. |
| 05:09 | < Shoukanjuu> | Well, lets review |
| 05:11 | < Shoukanjuu> | ?3TB of bandwidth and ?300GB of space |
| 05:11 | <@Reiver> | That's a lot of capacity. |
| 05:11 | < Shoukanjuu> | ... |
| 05:12 | < Shoukanjuu> | 30? |
| 05:12 | < Shoukanjuu> | 30. |
| 05:12 | < Shoukanjuu> | 30 sounds better, but damn |
| 05:12 | < Shoukanjuu> | 300\ |
| 05:13 | < Shoukanjuu> | 300k MB, that's 300 |
| 05:14 | < Shoukanjuu> | Now, I pay for this stuff...I could probably set up a domain for it, or just host it through the domain |
| 05:15 | < Shoukanjuu> | I don't know why we have all this; it's like 45 dollars a month XD |
| 05:18 | < Shoukanjuu> | That, however, is probably becasue we've got what...15 domains on this XD |
| 05:19 | <@Serah> | I have a private webserver running from home? |
| 05:20 | <@Serah> | Rather, my roomie does, but I pay part of the electricity bill :p |
| 05:32 | <@Kazriko> | ah? |
| 05:37 | < Shoukanjuu> | The way I am, you'd have to pay for the space you use |
| 05:37 | < Shoukanjuu> | Just find me the price of how much it would need |
| 05:38 | <@Reiver> | Well, that is indeed an extra catch. I'm pretty much incapable of providing money over the internets. >.> |
| 05:38 | <@Reiver> | (Even paypal went batshit on me when I tried to sign up.) |
| 05:39 | | * Thaqui vaguely pokes head in. |
| 05:39 | <@Thaqui> | I have web space if that's what you're after, Reiv. |
| 05:40 | < Shoukanjuu> | Why the hell would paypal do that x_x |
| 05:41 | <@Reiver> | Thaqui: Oho? How much, lad? |
| 05:41 | | * Reiver sighs, stabs Microsoft. |
| 05:41 | <@Reiver> | I tell you to install on G:. So you shift half your crap to G:. This is not helpful. |
| 05:41 | <@Thaqui> | I have about 300mb free space, with about 10GB transfer on that. |
| 05:43 | < Shoukanjuu> | Reiver: when did it occur to you that microsoft was helpful? |
| 05:43 | <@Reiver> | Shoukanjuu: I never did. However, in this case it is particuarly irritating. |
| 05:43 | <@Reiver> | I have all of 300MB free on my C: (Windows install) these days |
| 05:43 | <@Reiver> | And it demands I throw 1.1GB of crap on there, with no apparent way to put all said crap /somewhere else/. |
| 05:44 | <@Kazriko> | a don't have a windows drive anymore, heh |
| 05:45 | <@Reiver> | Kaz: I have an NTFS partition for windows, and then a Ext2 partition for my software/documents. |
| 05:47 | <@Kazriko> | actually, i do have a windows drive, but it's not in a windows box anymore |
| 05:48 | < Shoukanjuu> | Yeah, alot of thing swant the partition the OS is on |
| 05:48 | | * Shoukanjuu shrugs |
| 05:49 | < Shoukanjuu> | Leopard and an XP partition :3 |
| 05:51 | <@Serah> | The solution to programs being annoying about C: is to put windows on X: |
| 05:51 | <@Kazriko> | then tons of other things break |
| 05:52 | < Shoukanjuu> | XD |
| 05:53 | <@Thaqui> | I have Windows on G: |
| 05:53 | <@Thaqui> | It works out quite nicely for me. |
| 05:53 | <@Thaqui> | Especially since I reinstall Windows often. |
| 05:54 | < Shoukanjuu> | XD |
| 05:55 | < Shoukanjuu> | Ninja Gaiden II at 1 am is a bad idea. |
| 05:55 | < Shoukanjuu> | I n eed to go to be d soon...but I'm a MAster ninja |
| 05:55 | < Shoukanjuu> | I...can't....gotta stop the fiends x_x |
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| 11:36 | <@EvilDarkLord> | <Infinitum> This code has Schrodinger's bug. It worked fine until some asshole (me) read it through and decided that it couldn't possibly work. Now, of course, it's not working anywhere. |
| 11:37 | < Vornicus> | heh |
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| 19:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | Wtf |
| 19:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | I've lost my mrxvt |
| 19:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | I can see it in xlsclients, but I can't find the actual window |
| 19:33 | <@Steve> | WTF. I lost my crwth. |
| 19:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Says it's at (297,571) on desktop 3, but this is manifestly not the case. |
| 19:36 | <@Steve> | Refresh? |
| 19:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | What? |
| 19:40 | <@Steve> | Refresh your desktop? Or can't you in this system? |
| 19:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | I have no idea what you mean by "refresh the desktop". |
| 19:41 | <@Steve> | I'm probably completely ignorant. This is some sort of linux thingie? |
| 19:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's an NX thing, but I'm on linux, yes. |
| 19:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | What has happened is that one of my windows has vanished completely. |
| 19:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | The program is still running, and by running xlsclients I can see that it's still attached to the X server - it thinks it's in the lower left on the third desktop. |
| 19:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | But it's not there. |
| 19:46 | <@Steve> | Huh. I've encountered something similar in Java when I forgot to explicitly tell the program to exit when the window was closed. |
| 19:46 | <@Steve> | The lights are out, but someone's sure home. |
| 19:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah. In this case the X server clearly things the window is still open. |
| 19:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's just not showing it to me. |
| 19:48 | | * ToxicFrog tries detaching from and reattaching to the NX session |
| 19:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh wait! |
| 19:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Using xwit worked, looks like. |
| 19:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways, to alleviate my curiosity and ignorance: what is refreshing the desktop? |
| 19:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | The closest I can think of is the windows gesture (hit F5 to rescan Desktop folder, reload all icons, and reload the background) |
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| 20:42 | | * ToxicFrog pokes Steve |
| 20:42 | <@Steve> | Yeeeeeees? |
| 20:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Refreshing desktop! What is? |
| 20:43 | <@Steve> | RMB on desktop, LMB on 'Refresh' on the context menu? |
| 20:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, like the windows thing, then? |
| 20:47 | <@Steve> | YeahL? |
| 20:47 | <@Steve> | -L |
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| 22:32 | <@McMartin> | Sigh |
| 22:32 | <@McMartin> | Someone is Wrong On The Internet. |
| 22:32 | <@McMartin> | I'm going to just have to learn to accept that most programmers are entirely unaware that non-OO programming is even possible, let alone desirable. |
| 22:38 | <@Serah> | OO? |
| 22:38 | < EvilDarkLord> | Object-Oriented. |
| 22:39 | <@Serah> | Oh. |
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| 23:31 | <@McMartin> | (re: Scheme) "Parenthese are just curly braces that have been sanded down" |
| 23:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | Is this more r.a.i-f wackiness, or something else? |
| 23:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | (unrelated: google does not appear to like it when I ask it for the coordinates of 100,000 gas stations in Spain) |
| 23:37 | <@McMartin> | Side comment from elsewhere when I was bitching about r.a.i-f |
| 23:46 | <@McMartin> | Hm. The Association for Logic Programming wants me to write them a small article. |
| 23:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aaaand google's decided I'm a virus again. |
| 23:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah well, the rest of the coordinates can wait until tomorrow. |
| 23:58 | <@McMartin> | Search for: BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINS |
| 23:59 | <@McMartin> | [ Search ] [ I'm feeling lucky ] [ BRAAAAAAINS ] |
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