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| 04:04 | <@McMartin> | Hum. That was easier than I thought it would be. Though I did have to copy a template. |
| 04:04 | <@McMartin> | Rule for listing nondescript items of a room when the height of the player is not the height of the location: say "Down below, you can see "; list the contents of the location, as a sentence, tersely, listing marked items only, and giving brief inventory information; say ".". |
| 04:06 | <@Reiver> | Aha |
| 04:07 | <@Reiver> | Inform is close, but not quite english, innit. |
| 04:07 | < Shoukanjuu> | from __future__ import braces ? |
| 04:07 | <@McMartin> | Not a chance. |
| 04:07 | <@McMartin> | Reiver; Inform allows multiple-token identifiers. |
| 04:07 | <@McMartin> | The list with commas is essentially setting a buttload of flags. |
| 04:08 | <@Reiver> | Aye. |
| 04:08 | <@McMartin> | "listing nondescript items of" is a collection of multimethods that implement the "Chain of Responsibility" pattern, hooked by the library at the end of a room description. |
| 04:09 | <@McMartin> | I'd say instead of "almost but not quite", "not even close, but a literate designer can make it read like it". |
| 04:10 | <@Reiver> | ...That was what I as meaning to say, so I'll agree with that yes~ |
| 04:10 | <@Reiver> | OTOH, still a lot more readable than C~ |
| 04:11 | <@McMartin> | Ahahahaha |
| 04:11 | <@McMartin> | "I'd go with that. I think ISO/IEC 26300 (ODF 1.0) can be compared to a neat house built on good foundations which is not finished; 29500 (OOXML) is a baroque cliffside castle replete with toppling towers, secret passages and ghosts: it is all too finished." |
| 04:12 | <@Reiver> | ...Object oriented XML. ow. |
| 04:13 | <@McMartin> | No. |
| 04:13 | <@Vornicus> | office open XML, actually |
| 04:13 | <@McMartin> | OOXML is "MS Word and friends, forced into XML" |
| 04:13 | <@Reiver> | Oh. That sounds much less terrifying. |
| 04:13 | <@McMartin> | "And pretending it's an open standard, ahahahahahano." |
| 04:13 | <@McMartin> | It actually significantly more terrifying. |
| 04:13 | <@Reiver> | ...McM's explanation makes it less so, it seems~ |
| 04:14 | <@McMartin> | It's MS trying to get companies to keep paying them for MS Office instead of using OO.o instead. |
| 04:14 | <@Vornicus> | Reiver: it is an 8,000-page "standard" that references no other standards, but also references behavior of obsolete proprietary applications. |
| 04:15 | <@Vornicus> | And preserves 20-year-old bugs. |
| 04:15 | | * Reiver is curious as to these bugs, now. |
| 04:15 | <@Vornicus> | It thinks 1900 is a leap year. |
| 04:16 | <@Reiver> | (Also, the main problem with OO.o is that it is a steaming pile of doodie when you try to do Clever Shit, which while people are correct that 95% of people will never use, the other 5% find mission-critical. >.>) |
| 04:16 | <@McMartin> | (This problem is replicated by MS Office.) |
| 04:16 | <@Vornicus> | MS Office for Mac is still the best office suite out there. Too bad it's not got all the Win-Office goodies. |
| 04:17 | | * Reiver nods at Vorn. |
| 04:17 | <@Reiver> | OTOH, if they leave the interface alone, we'll be happy~ |
| 04:17 | | * Vornicus wants Visio! ;_; |
| 04:17 | | * Reiver has Visio! |
| 04:17 | | * Reiver earned the adoration of his group members with it! |
| 04:17 | <@Vornicus> | Visio is so nice. |
| 04:17 | <@McMartin> | It's not nearly enough for serious correlation, though. |
| 04:17 | | * Reiver showed up with a perfectly formatted tidy E-R diagram which made them all shocked and awed. |
| 04:17 | < Doctor_Nick> | i spent wayyyyyyyyy too many hours on this code example |
| 04:18 | < Doctor_Nick> | that nobody will look at |
| 04:18 | | * Doctor_Nick sobs quietly |
| 04:18 | | * Reiver spent, uh, fifteen minutes doing it. Ten of those were reformatting to the local graphics standard rather than using the premade stuff. >.> |
| 04:18 | < Doctor_Nick> | hm? |
| 04:18 | < Doctor_Nick> | I'm talking about myself |
| 04:18 | <@Reiver> | So am I, nick. |
| 04:19 | < Doctor_Nick> | ok |
| 04:19 | <@McMartin> | Doctor_Nick: You could pastie it if you want us to look at it =P |
| 04:19 | < Doctor_Nick> | k |
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| 04:19 | <@Vornicus> | Actually what little I've played with Office 2k7 I quite liked. |
| 04:20 | <+Doctor_Nick> | http://pastebin.ca/985584 |
| 04:21 | <+Doctor_Nick> | its supposed to be a demonstration of the Builder, Composite, and Visitor patterns working together |
| 04:21 | <@Reiver> | Vorn: Biggest complaint is it makes the experts look like idiots, while the idiots just ring tech support. |
| 04:21 | <+Doctor_Nick> | I found no simple examples on the internet with all three together |
| 04:21 | <@McMartin> | As a languages geek, I unleash The Visitor regularly |
| 04:22 | <+Doctor_Nick> | im gonna Double Dispatch you in da face |
| 04:22 | <@Vornicus> | Type Dispatch is about the only thing I miss from static languages. |
| 04:22 | <@McMartin> | I really miss multiple dispatch when I don't have it. |
| 04:23 | <@McMartin> | Remind me what the difference is between Builders and Factories? |
| 04:24 | | * McMartin also takes a side point to mock the elevation of Composite to "pattern" status. |
| 04:25 | | * Vornicus is far too often writing numeric types, when being able to tell the difference between kinds of things is /really useful/ because you can't exactly change the name of __add__ |
| 04:26 | <+Doctor_Nick> | Generally, the builder interface is general enough that every part of the object can be composed by the concretebuilder |
| 04:27 | <+Doctor_Nick> | Factory leaves the implementation of subclasses in the object up to that instantiation |
| 04:27 | <+Doctor_Nick> | and yeah, I think it was a mistake to go with composite with this program |
| 04:28 | <+Doctor_Nick> | oh well, it worked out |
| 04:28 | <@McMartin> | I tend to vastly prefer Composite over inheritance. |
| 04:29 | <@McMartin> | I just call them, you know, "structures". |
| 04:29 | <@Vornicus> | Heh. |
| 04:31 | <+Doctor_Nick> | i used that name already |
| 04:31 | <@Vornicus> | mmm, tasty structured data |
| 04:32 | <@McMartin> | Doctor_Nick: By which I mean "struct" |
| 04:33 | <+Doctor_Nick> | yeah, i know |
| 04:33 | <+Doctor_Nick> | i used the name "structure" for the component class before i remembered that it could be misconstrued |
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| 15:26 | < Shoukanjuu> | from __future__ import Vornicus |
| 15:27 | <@AnnoDomini> | import this |
| 15:27 | < Shoukanjuu> | >_> |
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| 16:12 | < Shoukanjuu> | trucha signer is go |
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