| --- Log opened Mon Apr 07 00:00:42 2008 |
| 00:07 | < Jeff> | Hey, can I ask a non-code related computers question in here? |
| 00:08 | <@Derakon> | Go ahead. |
| 00:10 | < Jeff> | I have recently assembled a new Blazin' Fast (tm) computer from NewEgg. However, it has a problem- it can't run relatively older games like FarCry and GTA3. Well, it can, but it runs them at 10+x "sane" speed. |
| 00:10 | < Jeff> | (Except for say, sound files, which are normal. That's kinda creepy.) |
| 00:10 | < Jeff> | I'm assuming this is because my computer is just Too Fast to play them. Is there any way I can fix this that won't cruft the rest of it up? |
| 00:11 | <@McMartin> | There are downthrottling applications, but I'm frankly astonished that merely "relatively" older machines don't, you know, look at the clock |
| 00:11 | <@Derakon> | This is an aspect of computers that I personally don't know much about; I play most of my games on consoles. But there's 18 other people nominally in this channel... |
| 00:11 | <@McMartin> | I tend to associate that kind of problem with games from the 386 era. |
| 00:11 | < Shoukanjuu> | That doesnt' actually sound like a hardware problem, unless the graphics card doesnt' actually...support older games >_> |
| 00:11 | <@McMartin> | These are Win32? |
| 00:12 | < Shoukanjuu> | I bet he's running Vista. |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | Doesn't matter |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | The question is if they're MSDOS. |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | The applications. |
| 00:12 | < Jeff> | I'm running WinXP. |
| 00:12 | < Jeff> | And the games I've noticed this on are GTAIII and Far Cry. |
| 00:12 | < Shoukanjuu> | Well, I was underr the impression that the DOS prompt didn't actually exist in XP and Vista >_> |
| 00:13 | <@McMartin> | Shoukanjuu: Incorrect. |
| 00:13 | <@McMartin> | At least for XP. |
| 00:13 | <@McMartin> | And that wasn't what I meant *either* |
| 00:13 | < Shoukanjuu> | Ah, well. Okay. I'll shut up, now |
| 00:13 | <@Kazriko> | cmd and command. :) |
| 00:13 | <@McMartin> | I meant "Are the games programmed to run against the MS-DOS interrupt handlers, or against the Win32 API" |
| 00:14 | <@McMartin> | If the former, running it in the DosBox emulator may help |
| 00:14 | < Jeff> | Hmm. I have GTAIII over Steam. That a problem? |
| 00:14 | <@McMartin> | ... OK, if it's running under steam, it's definitely Win32. |
| 00:15 | <@McMartin> | But if it's running under Steam, they have to be expecting it to run on modern systems. |
| 00:15 | <@McMartin> | Something's probably configured wrong somewhere. |
| 00:15 | <@McMartin> | Because seriously. Absolutely nobody uses "count to 1,000 really fast between frames" as a way to time games anymore, and they haven't for over a decade. |
| 00:15 | <@McMartin> | It's *always* "see how much time has elapsed and update accordingly". |
| 00:16 | < Jeff> | And if they did that in a game as popular as GTAIII, wouldn't we know? |
| 00:16 | <@McMartin> | Maybe ask on the Steam forums though. |
| 00:16 | <@McMartin> | Well, *I* wouldn't, not having messed with it |
| 00:16 | < Jeff> | (Also, I noticed no appreciable changes while playing a pirated copy of GTAIII on 2 different machines, one much faster than the other- the other machine could just have better graphics. |
| 00:17 | <@McMartin> | I'd ask on the forums to see if there are throttling options. |
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| 00:42 | <@McMartin> | A quick check of Steam's requirements say that it was targeting 2k |
| 01:02 | | * ToxicFrog reads the backscroll |
| 01:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Those are definitely both win32 games. I suggest enabling vsync, as some game/card/OS combinations are known to have serious problems of this manner when it's off. |
| 01:03 | < Jeff> | How do I enable vsync? |
| 01:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Concerning the DOS prompt, 2k and XP do not have one; what they have is a half-assed DOS emulator and an interface to it that implements (IIRC) a superset of command.com |
| 01:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | First, check the game settings; look for a "vsync" or "vertical synchronization" option under graphics settings |
| 01:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | Failing that, go into your driver settings and look for vsync options, probably under direct3d and/or opengl-specific settings |
| 01:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Concerning struct(), Derakon: if you don't know the complete structure, use it to unpack the parts you do know and skip the rest. |
| 01:05 | <@McMartin> | 17:08 <@ToxicFrog> Concerning the DOS prompt, 2k and XP do not have one; what they have is a half-assed DOS emulator and an interface to it that implements (IIRC) a superset of command.com |
| 01:06 | < Shoukanjuu> | That's what I was thinking, then |
| 01:06 | <@McMartin> | That is to say, they do in fact offer a DOS prompt, it just doesn't provide the services properly. |
| 01:06 | < Shoukanjuu> | That's what I was thinking XD; |
| 01:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, no |
| 01:06 | < Shoukanjuu> | I had heard about it, and since that it was that way in 2k and XP, I assumed that it was that way in Vista |
| 01:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | They offer a command line interface that resembles DOS |
| 01:07 | < Shoukanjuu> | But isn't actually DOS? |
| 01:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | But it's not DOS, whereas win9x actually gave you an interface to real DOS. |
| 01:07 | < Shoukanjuu> | :D |
| 01:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | winNT doesn't run on top of DOS and thus can't do that, so it gives you an emulator instead. |
| 01:07 | <@McMartin> | OK, so, I interpreted his comment as "You can't get a terminal in Windows" |
| 01:07 | <@McMartin> | Which is a filthy lie. |
| 01:07 | <@McMartin> | In MacOS 9, "you can't get a prompt" |
| 01:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Jeff: sudden additional thought. Do you have a multi-core system? |
| 01:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | If so, try reaffining the game to one processor only |
| 01:08 | < Jeff> | I... hmm. |
| 01:08 | < Jeff> | I have the one proc, but it's dual-core (I think). |
| 01:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | See if running it only on core 0 helps. |
| 01:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. Rummaging a bit on the net says that yes, this is a known issue with Far Cry, it goes crazy if you let it have multiple cores at once. |
| 01:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | The problem with GTA3 may be the same. |
| 01:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | You can either adjust it by hand after it starts or use imgcfg to adjust the affinity mask in the executable itself. |
| 01:11 | < Jeff> | Erm. Okay. How do I adjust it by hand? |
| 01:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | ctrl-shift-esc to invoke the task manager; processes tab; right-click farcry.exe (or whichever); Set Affinity; untick everything but CPU0 |
| 01:12 | <@Finerty> | Does that work permanently? |
| 01:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Nope; it affects the process, not the binary. |
| 01:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Like I said, you can use imagecfg to adjust it directly in the binary. |
| 01:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | (which I know because this is also necessary for Dark engine games, albeit for a different reason) |
| 01:19 | < Shoukanjuu> | Someday I'll have at least a thousandth of the experience everyone here has o.o; |
| 02:07 | <@Derakon> | Turns out I'm having problems reading the map data in part because the file's compressed. D'oh. |
| 02:08 | <@Finerty> | I suspected as much |
| 02:08 | <@Derakon> | Well, it helps if you read the line right under the TOC on this page: http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/User:Rick/Save_research |
| 02:09 | <@Finerty> | heh |
| 02:22 | | * Derakon installs a half-dozen Perl modules. |
| 02:22 | < Shoukanjuu> | Radiant Dawn doesn't like me. I sincerely doubt random means 99% misses twice in a row. :/ |
| 02:24 | <@Derakon> | It can. |
| 02:24 | <@Derakon> | It's just rare. |
| 02:24 | < Shoukanjuu> | Well, that's the meaning of random, of course. But Rare in Radiant Dawn means "Almost every time" |
| 02:25 | < Shoukanjuu> | In fact, I've seen 99% chances to hit ACTUALLY HIT maybe three times, and I've played the entire game three times over :/ |
| 02:26 | < Shoukanjuu> | So I've planned my strategies to accommodate. |
| 02:27 | <@Derakon> | Okay, that sounds a bit like a bug. |
| 02:27 | < Shoukanjuu> | I wouldn't be surprised |
| 02:27 | < Shoukanjuu> | But nobody else seems to have this problem |
| 02:27 | < Shoukanjuu> | They just laugh at me ; ; |
| 02:28 | < Shoukanjuu> | They all get great stats for their characters, too, whereas mine are barely acceptable :. |
| 02:28 | < Shoukanjuu> | So Hard Mode becomes "lol, no" mode |
| 02:33 | < Shoukanjuu> | It reminds me of Fire Emblem 5. I don't think its a glitch, I just think it's purposely...WORKING. :/ |
| 03:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | The RNG hates you. |
| 03:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | I know a friend who has that experience with X-COM. |
| 03:09 | <@Finerty> | Poor mol. |
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| 03:22 | < Reiv> | implementing the LZW alograthm is pain. ;_; |
| 03:23 | <@Finerty> | Yes. |
| 03:24 | < Reiv> | It's our second assignment. The most annoying part is that I know in general terms what I'm doing with pretty diagrams of tries and the like, but in terms of actual stepwise computer code... |
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| 04:31 | < Shoukanjuu> | "The Intel 8048 microcontroller (used e.g. in the original IBM PC keyboard) is also missing straight SEX but has logical-or and logical-and instructions ORL and ANL." |
| 04:32 | <@Finerty> | uh... huh. |
| 04:32 | <@McMartin> | I have that book. |
| 04:32 | < Shoukanjuu> | Where SEX is Sign EXtend, apparently. |
| 04:32 | <@McMartin> | Yeah. Convert byte to short or short to int. |
| 04:33 | < Shoukanjuu> | I would mark something like this for clean up, but...but it just owuldn't seem right |
| 04:33 | <@McMartin> | Is it an attributed quote? |
| 04:33 | <@McMartin> | Because if not, that's word for word from the old print edition of the Hacker's Dictionary. |
| 04:33 | < Shoukanjuu> | Well, it's in a different font in the link |
| 05:42 | < Shoukanjuu> | Anyone here using Leopard? >_> |
| 05:43 | <@Finerty> | Leopard's the new one, right? |
| 05:43 | < Shoukanjuu> | Yes. |
| 05:43 | | * Finerty isn't. |
| 05:44 | < Shoukanjuu> | I'm not quite sure if this "feature" was in Tiger, but my Applications folder is read only unless it gets authorization, and I want it to always be Read and Write privs for everyone 'local' |
| 05:47 | <@Finerty> | okay, you go into the terminal, sudo chmod -R +w /Applications |
| 05:48 | < Shoukanjuu> | Well, okay. |
| 05:48 | < Shoukanjuu> | sudo would be "as another user" chmod is change mode, -r would be taking read privs and +w would be giving write? >_> |
| 05:48 | <@Finerty> | -R is "recursive" |
| 05:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | -r is "remove read" |
| 05:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | -R is "recursive" |
| 05:48 | < Shoukanjuu> | Oh, okay. |
| 05:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ie, process directory contents recursively, etc |
| 05:49 | | * Shoukanjuu writes this down, too |
| 05:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | You might not actually want that; with it, everything inside Applications (and everything inside those, etc) becomes +w as well |
| 05:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Without it, only the apps directory itself does |
| 05:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | No need to write it down, just "man chmod" |
| 05:50 | | Finerty is now known as Vornicus |
| 05:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | And yes, sudo (superuser-do) is run command as another user, with "another user" defaulting to root |
| 05:52 | < Shoukanjuu> | Well, it'd be nice for everything in the apps directory to be +w |
| 05:52 | < Shoukanjuu> | I see. But it's still wanting authentication for moving files from Applications :/ |
| 05:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | That should only need read access; check where you're moving them too, as well. |
| 05:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | Alternately, it might be some other check it performs. |
| 05:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | In any case, now is bedtime, for tomorrow is exams. |
| 05:53 | < Shoukanjuu> | Night. Thanks. |
| 05:54 | < Shoukanjuu> | Now, it's my Applications folder which I would suppose IS /Applications |
| 05:54 | | * McMartin also read sudo not as superuser-do, but as su + "pseudo" |
| 05:56 | < Shoukanjuu> | Could it have something to do with the fact that I activated a root account? Seeign as how Leopard automatically defauls root accounts to 'off' |
| 05:57 | < Shoukanjuu> | I don't remember it doing this BEFORE then... |
| 05:59 | <@Derakon> | Why do you want /Applications to be writeable, anyway? |
| 06:00 | < Shoukanjuu> | Because I'm annoyed at the fact that for some reason, an application doesn't happen to have an authentication set for updates, and thus, can't access /applications |
| 06:00 | < Shoukanjuu> | Namely, Azureus. |
| 06:02 | < Shoukanjuu> | And sicne that's where it is, it ultimately has to get something to write to there and application support, which is in the home folder/library/ and such IIRC |
| 06:02 | < Shoukanjuu> | Apparently, it doesn't like that the applications folder needs authentication to write |
| 06:02 | < Shoukanjuu> | to it* |
| 06:04 | <@Derakon> | Apps shouldn't even be trying to write to /Applications. |
| 06:04 | <@Derakon> | At least, not unless they're doing an install. |
| 06:05 | < Shoukanjuu> | Hmm. |
| 06:06 | < Shoukanjuu> | Okay, even then. I'm lazy and don't like to type in my password to add anything to the applications that are in said folder. |
| 06:06 | < Shoukanjuu> | So I'll deal with it, since it apparently d oesnt' need to heppen ._. |
| 06:06 | | * Derakon facepalms. |
| 06:07 | < Shoukanjuu> | If it doesn't, though, then why would aan application need to write to it? @_x |
| 06:07 | <@Derakon> | So, wait, what's going on? |
| 06:08 | <@Vornicus> | Azureus is trying to update, it sounds like |
| 06:08 | <@Derakon> | Hrm. In that event, it should ask for your password and then do its thing. |
| 06:08 | <@Derakon> | Me, I just install all my programs in ~/apps instead. |
| 06:08 | < Shoukanjuu> | I thought the plugins and such were filed in application support, but apparently it opens the azureus 'package' to replace them, which is why it restarts |
| 06:08 | <@Derakon> | So sure, nobody else on my computer can use them. Horrors. |
| 06:09 | < Shoukanjuu> | Well, I want to use them and I don't consistently use my root account. That will be fine, y es? |
| 06:09 | <@Derakon> | You shouldn't have a root account. You should have an account that has temporary privilege-escalation abilities (i.e. sudo). |
| 06:11 | < Shoukanjuu> | It was defaulted to off when I got it. *shrug* |
| 06:11 | <@Derakon> | (The difference being that a root account is root all the time, and thus has inordinate power to royally fuck up a system) |
| 06:11 | | * Shoukanjuu understands this |
| 06:11 | | * Shoukanjuu happened to fix colloquy's transcript broswer problem which, for some reason, was because of permission screwage that he had nothing to do with |
| 06:12 | | * Shoukanjuu used the root account to do this because he knew no other way x.X; |
| 06:14 | < Shoukanjuu> | Since the application support stuff is elsewhere and doesn't point to the applications, moving the applications will have virtually no ACTUAL effect on anything except the dock shortcuts |
| 06:14 | < Shoukanjuu> | Am I right? |
| 06:15 | <@Derakon> | Um, possibly. I think even the dock shortcuts will be fine. |
| 06:15 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah. Many apps ask for signals when certain files move |
| 06:15 | < Shoukanjuu> | I've moved stuff before and the dock shortcuts ended up poofing into quetion marks, but I'm assuming this because Windows does the same when you move something a shortcut is attached to |
| 06:16 | < Shoukanjuu> | Yeah >_> |
| 06:16 | <@Vornicus> | And will actually keep track of that. |
| 06:16 | < Shoukanjuu> | Of course, Windows is different than *nix based stuff, so >__> |
| 06:17 | <@Vornicus> | Yes. |
| 06:18 | < Shoukanjuu> | Aaaaand moving stuff from the Applications folder instead attempts to copy it to another folder |
| 06:19 | <@Derakon> | Well, sure, you don't have write permission for stuff in /Applications. |
| 06:20 | < Shoukanjuu> | Touch?, Applications folder. Touch?. |
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| 08:06 | <@AnnoDomini> | ARGH fuck. How do I turn this bloody crap that is AutoCorrect in Open Office? |
| 08:15 | <@Kazriko> | off or on? |
| 08:16 | <@AnnoDomini> | Off, naturally. |
| 08:17 | <@AnnoDomini> | I can check my own spelling. I can decide on my own whether my I's should be capitalized or not. |
| 08:17 | <@AnnoDomini> | Especially if the language isn't English. Which the bloody thing won't let me change. |
| 08:18 | <@Kazriko> | lessee... |
| 08:21 | < Shoukanjuu> | Why do you have Open Office in a non-English language? |
| 08:22 | <@AnnoDomini> | What? |
| 08:22 | <@GeekSoldier|bed> | Because he speaks a non-english language. |
| 08:23 | | GeekSoldier|bed is now known as GeekSoldier |
| 08:23 | <@AnnoDomini> | The interface language is English. I don't mind that. |
| 08:23 | < Shoukanjuu> | Oh, then I misunderstood. |
| 08:23 | <@Kazriko> | there's a little button on the top that turns off autospellcheck at least. |
| 08:23 | <@Kazriko> | on my screen. |
| 08:23 | <@GeekSoldier> | aren't there Polish dicts for it? |
| 08:23 | <@Kazriko> | ABC with a red squigly under it. |
| 08:23 | <@AnnoDomini> | GeekSoldier: It IGNORES my attempts to choose those. |
| 08:24 | <@GeekSoldier> | oh. |
| 08:24 | <@AnnoDomini> | Kazriko: That's just the spellchecker. I want AutoCorrect off. |
| 08:25 | <@Kazriko> | tools-options-language settings-languages, does it let you select them there? |
| 08:27 | <@Kazriko> | tools-options-openoffice.org-paths has an autocorrect option, maybe you can edit the file that points at? |
| 08:27 | <@Kazriko> | tools |
| 08:27 | <@Kazriko> | -options-language settings-writing aids may have something to turn certain options off. |
| 08:28 | <@Kazriko> | one of those options is check capitalization. |
| 08:29 | <@Kazriko> | that's all i can see on a quick scan of the settings. any of those work? |
| 08:30 | <@AnnoDomini> | Nothing to edit in the path. Just a dat file that's allegedly the Polish AC. I turned off pretty much everything under writing aids. |
| 08:36 | <@Kazriko> | tried Lotus Symphony? :) |
| 08:37 | <@AnnoDomini> | Hm. Can't argue with the price... |
| 08:37 | <@Kazriko> | i've not really messed with it much. |
| 08:38 | <@Kazriko> | its files are supposed to be completely compatible with openoffice though. |
| 08:38 | | * Kazriko misses lotus organizer/amipro/etc. |
| 08:39 | | * AnnoDomini goes back to trying to write that report. It's the commentary that's the worst part, since it's needless, IMO, and also required. |
| 08:39 | <@Kazriko> | ugh. |
| 08:39 | <@Kazriko> | have fun. |
| 08:39 | | * Kazriko goes to sleep so he can get to work tomorrow. |
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