| --- Log opened Thu Mar 27 00:00:26 2008 |
| 00:09 | <@Shou|x_X> | I might not e up to it today :/ |
| 00:09 | <@C_tiger> | Alcohol + code |
| 00:09 | <@C_tiger> | YAY! |
| 00:09 | <@Shou|x_X> | Add a monkey or two and youv'e got Windows ME :D |
| 00:11 | <@C_tiger> | No, because you need someone to take your money as well. |
| 00:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Alchohol alone can't explain ME~ |
| 00:13 | | * ToxicFrog hands Shou a kitten and a copy of Audiosurf |
| 00:13 | <@Vornicus> | TF: no, of course not. |
| 00:14 | <@C_tiger> | That's why Shou said monkeys |
| 00:14 | <@Vornicus> | You have twenty years of the finest MS engineering, first, and then you add alcohol. |
| 00:14 | | * McMartin remains convinced that ME was MS's Take That to the world that refused to leave the horribly broken Win98 paradigm. |
| 00:14 | <@Shou|x_X> | MS has fine engineering? >_> |
| 00:15 | <@McMartin> | "We really want to work on something else. Oh, you INSIST we keep on this stuff and won't buy anything else? Here, get it good and hard" |
| 00:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...except that at the time they released ME, there wasn't anything else to buy for the home market, other than stuff that wasn't MS, and I don't think that was their intention. |
| 00:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | XP wasn't out yet, NT and 2k were targeted for the corporate market and had corresponding price points. |
| 00:16 | <@Shou|x_X> | Ahh |
| 00:17 | <@McMartin> | Hm. FOr some reason I thought ME postdated 2k |
| 00:17 | <@McMartin> | And people should have been using 2k anyway. |
| 00:17 | <@McMartin> | It remains the best OS they've made. |
| 00:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | It does postdate 2k, by half a year |
| 00:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | However, 2k was (at least up to that point) heavily targeted at the server and corporate workstation market |
| 00:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | J Random User got 98, 98 SE, or ME |
| 00:19 | <@McMartin> | And of those, should have been using 98 SE. |
| 00:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because that's what was (1) preinstalled, (2) on shelves at the store and (3) affordable |
| 00:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | I also note that there was a significant period where 2k was wholly unsuitable for gaming. |
| 00:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | The compatibility stuff wasn't really working yet, the DOS emulator was (and is) broken and VDMSound didn't exist yet, and games were still targeting 9x first and NT second if at all. |
| 00:22 | <@McMartin> | Once I took OS classes I'm no longer convinced 9x backcompat is a feature, but~ |
| 00:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Heh |
| 00:22 | <@McMartin> | The best part is how the top half of memory is shared across *all applications* and *includes vital kernel data structures* |
| 00:22 | <@Shou|x_X> | I grew up with Macs, so I have this pseudohate for MS |
| 00:22 | <@McMartin> | POKE of doom: Not Just For 8-bit Machines anymore. |
| 00:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Personally, I rather like the ability to run, say, Total Annihilation without needing a VM or a seperate computer. |
| 00:23 | <@Shou|x_X> | XD |
| 00:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | And the NT backcompat with 9x does, at least, do away with that. |
| 00:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | (the shared memory kernel madness, that is) |
| 00:23 | <@McMartin> | That said, Windows 98 did get to point and laugh at Macintoshes of the time, since it had actual timesharing. |
| 00:24 | <@Shou|x_X> | I suppose *eye roll* |
| 00:24 | <@Shou|x_X> | But at that time I was like eight |
| 00:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Actual timesharing and a UI that wasn't utter bollocks~ |
| 00:25 | <@Shou|x_X> | :P |
| 00:25 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, see, I was in University. |
| 00:25 | <@McMartin> | TF: Unless you count the lack of timesharing (so you can't open a menu while a sound is playing, say) as a total UI failure, they did all right. |
| 00:26 | <@McMartin> | Terminals were available as part of the developer tools, and defining "sane" as "POSIX-Compliant" is silly for reasons I don't need to go into. |
| 00:26 | <@McMartin> | And "You never have to go to Terminal" is a goal too many environments still haven't met. |
| 00:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, I'm speaking from the point of view of OS 6/7, with no dev tools (and thus no terminal) |
| 00:27 | <@McMartin> | Which didn't ship with dev tools. |
| 00:27 | <@McMartin> | It certainly had dev tools, since it had applications. =P |
| 00:27 | <@McMartin> | And again, you couldn't do much with the terminal. |
| 00:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | But both "you know what the world needs? Fewer mouse buttons, and more modifier keys on the keyboard" and especially "let's have one menu bar shared between every application" can die. |
| 00:27 | <@Shou|x_X> | What have I done O_O; |
| 00:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | The former I actually am merely mildly irritated by but the latter is massive, crushing fail |
| 00:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Especially since it means you can't use FFM, even if MacOS supported it, which it didn't |
| 00:28 | <@McMartin> | FFM is epic failure in its own right. |
| 00:28 | <@Shou|x_X> | Eheh |
| 00:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...it what? |
| 00:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Why? |
| 00:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Personally, I like the ability to focus a window without raising it. |
| 00:28 | <@McMartin> | Two reasons. |
| 00:29 | <@Vornicus> | what is FFM? |
| 00:29 | <@McMartin> | (a) Let's accidentally type our password into an IRC window without noticing because we bumped the touchpad |
| 00:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | I also like the ability to focus a window without having to find a place in it that won't respond in undesired ways to mouse clicks. |
| 00:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: Focus Follows Mouse |
| 00:29 | <@McMartin> | (b) Let's always have the fricking mouse cursor in the way of whatever we're editing. |
| 00:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | (I actually use Lazy Focus Follows Mouse, which is the same except moving the mouse out of a window doesn't defocus the window unless it gave focus to something else) |
| 00:30 | <@McMartin> | (My screen is generally tiled with terminals) |
| 00:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | (b) is only an issue if your FFM implementation is widget-level rather than app-level |
| 00:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or if you have an app where the entire window is "what you're editing" |
| 00:30 | <@McMartin> | Generally speaking the widget I care about consumes the entire app. |
| 00:30 | <@McMartin> | Emacs, gnome-terminal, OO. |
| 00:30 | <@McMartin> | Browser |
| 00:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | I generally tuck the mouse over the scrollbar in those cases. |
| 00:31 | <@Shou|x_X> | emacs isn't as bad as I was led to believe, by the way |
| 00:31 | <@McMartin> | So that it can give focus to the next window over when I bump the mouse. |
| 00:31 | <@Shou|x_X> | At least, the OSX implementation of it isn't |
| 00:31 | <@McMartin> | After three password panics I gave up on FFM forever. |
| 00:31 | <@Vornicus> | Personally a click that both /gives focus/ and /sends a command/ is batshit anyway. |
| 00:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: well, there's also the fact that I don't generally tile windows, I stack them |
| 00:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: that's how windows and, IIRC, most linux desktop environments do it |
| 00:31 | <@McMartin> | Oh, right, that's the third problem with FFM. |
| 00:31 | <@McMartin> | (c) Alt-Tab is no longer a sensible input command. |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes it is! |
| 00:32 | <@McMartin> | Not if you're actually using the desktop, which I do! |
| 00:32 | <@Vornicus> | it's not how Mac does it |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | How do you figure? |
| 00:32 | <@McMartin> | OK, I've got four terminals tiled. |
| 00:32 | <@McMartin> | The mouse is pointing at window 1. |
| 00:32 | <@McMartin> | I hit alt-tab |
| 00:32 | <@McMartin> | This doesn't move the mouse. |
| 00:33 | <@McMartin> | So focus shouldn't have changed, despite that's what Alt-Tab *does*. |
| 00:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, on windows, alt-tab is also "teleport the mouse to the focused window" |
| 00:33 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, GNOME and CDE didn't/don't do that. |
| 00:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah |
| 00:33 | <@McMartin> | So you'd get focus on the other app until the mouse moved a single pixel, then it would snap back |
| 00:34 | <@McMartin> | Also, given the horrific lack of precision of touchpads, Single Menu Bar is acceptable on laptops. |
| 00:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm |
| 00:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | In my tests here on GNOME, it doesn't move the mouse, but it doesn't check focus until it crosses a window boundary either |
| 00:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | So it's not good, but it's not terrible either |
| 00:35 | | * Vornicus prefers the menu bar be at the very, very top. |
| 00:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | (and I have no problem with touchpads, although I could see that as a reasonable argument - I'm mostly speaking for desktops here) |
| 00:36 | | * Vornicus does not see why the title bar has to make it (granted, slightly) harder to use the menus. |
| 00:37 | <@McMartin> | On the evangelist side, their model of excellence (viz. "Whatever the Mac Does") doesn't match their own claims. |
| 00:37 | <@McMartin> | The "most important stuff goes in the corner". |
| 00:37 | <@McMartin> | The corner gets the logout and software update buttons. =P |
| 00:37 | <@C_tiger> | Does it? |
| 00:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | C_tiger: in principle |
| 00:38 | <@McMartin> | The idea is that stuff at the top of the screen is a button of semi-infinite height in one dimension |
| 00:38 | <@McMartin> | And in the corners, in two |
| 00:38 | <@C_tiger> | Ah. |
| 00:38 | <@C_tiger> | so easy to click. |
| 00:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | "infinite but bounded" |
| 00:38 | <@McMartin> | This is why it's easier to use menus than buttons when dealing with a goddamn alien touchpad. |
| 00:38 | | * McMartin likes trackpoints but not the software which comes with all track-point-enabled laptops. |
| 00:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | What software is that? |
| 00:38 | <@C_tiger> | There's software? |
| 00:39 | <@Vornicus> | Eh. Mac fails that, at least on Tiger, for the bottom left and bottom right corners - the Dock doesn't quite extend that far... |
| 00:39 | <@Vornicus> | On the other hand, the top left and top right are the Apple menu and Spotlight, respectively. |
| 00:39 | <@C_tiger> | keyboard navigation luv |
| 00:39 | <@McMartin> | The Apple Menu is not really "the most important thing" |
| 00:39 | <@McMartin> | At all |
| 00:39 | <@McMartin> | Remotely |
| 00:40 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah. Mac's keyboard nav kinda blows. |
| 00:40 | <@McMartin> | It's "logout" and "check for updates" |
| 00:40 | <@Vornicus> | well, the Apple Menu has Recent items in it. |
| 00:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Woo. One moment while I wrap my head in duct tape to restrain my excitement. |
| 00:41 | <@Shou|x_X> | XD |
| 00:41 | <@McMartin> | Everyone Else puts Finder->Go->Applications in a corner. |
| 00:41 | <@McMartin> | Which is a much better choice. |
| 00:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...winxp has an interesting approach |
| 00:42 | <@McMartin> | Oh, right |
| 00:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | The start button doesn't actually extend into the corner visually |
| 00:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Nor, I must assume, logically |
| 00:42 | <@Vornicus> | Applications are generally on the Dock, anyway |
| 00:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because clicking in the corner teleports your mouse onto the start button, then clicks it |
| 00:42 | <@McMartin> | Heh |
| 00:42 | <@Vornicus> | TF: whee |
| 00:42 | <@McMartin> | That's becuase it originally didn't |
| 00:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Why not just make the button a few px larger? |
| 00:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's not hard! |
| 00:42 | <@Vornicus> | TF: the Fisher Price start button /is/ |
| 00:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | No-one would notice! |
| 00:43 | <@McMartin> | Maybe Apple holds a patent on it =P |
| 00:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | The Fisher Price theme (which I internally call the Nickelodeon Theme) didn't come with my XP install, so. |
| 00:43 | <@McMartin> | My default GNOME setup's corners are Applications, Volume Control, Expose, and Trash. |
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| 00:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Likewise. |
| 00:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | Although I generally remove trash so that lower right is the desktop switcher |
| 00:44 | | * McMartin uses the keyboard for that anyway. |
| 00:44 | <@McMartin> | And Leopard actually binds a fair amount of functionality to various keys and keychords. |
| 00:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | So do I, but sometimes the laptop is in an awkward location and I can only easily reach the mouse |
| 00:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | In which case the desktop switcher is roughly ? times as important as the trash |
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| 02:03 | < Mango> | If I have two forms on a page, can I have an element in each with the same name? |
| 02:03 | < Mango> | actually |
| 02:03 | | * Mango gets a bright idea and decides to do it and run it through the validator |
| 02:07 | < Mango> | multiple names is within XHTML spec |
| 02:07 | < Mango> | multiple IDs of course is not |
| 02:09 | < Mango> | interestingly, |
| 02:09 | < Mango> | if I remove a name, leaving only the ID |
| 02:09 | < Mango> | it still validates |
| 02:09 | < Mango> | but upon submission, |
| 02:09 | < Mango> | both IE and Firefox ignore that element completely |
| 02:09 | <@McMartin> | Heh |
| 02:09 | <@McMartin> | Nobody ever accused any browser of being fully standards-compliant |
| 02:09 | <@McMartin> | Oh, also, which XHTML? 1.0 or 1.1? |
| 02:10 | < Mango> | 1.1 |
| 02:10 | | * Mango tests with 1.0 |
| 02:11 | < Mango> | also validates |
| 02:11 | <@McMartin> | k, just checking |
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| 04:52 | < jeffl> | [root@localhost Desktop]# ./yohoho-install.bin |
| 04:52 | < jeffl> | bash: ./yohoho-install.bin: Permission denied |
| 04:52 | < jeffl> | ...um |
| 04:52 | < jeffl> | what |
| 05:00 | <@Shou|x_X> | What would happen if it had a password? >_> |
| 05:01 | < jeffl> | No, that's what the # signifies |
| 05:01 | < jeffl> | I did this *as root* |
| 05:01 | < jeffl> | Any help from anyone? |
| 05:01 | <@Shou|x_X> | But what if the file was encrypted by someone else iwith a password? >_> |
| 05:01 | <@Vornicus> | chmod +x yohoho-install.bin |
| 05:01 | <@Shou|x_X> | Unless you made it yourself |
| 05:01 | | * Vornicus actually doesn't know. |
| 05:11 | < jeffl> | How can I find where my Java VM is? |
| 05:12 | <@Vornicus> | jeffl: which java |
| 05:12 | <@Vornicus> | if it's not in your path, it gets a little hairier |
| 05:13 | < jeffl> | It's in my path. I just can't CD to it. |
| 05:13 | <@Vornicus> | which java will tell you where to find java |
| 05:13 | < jeffl> | Any way I can tell what version it is? |
| 05:14 | < jeffl> | [jeffl@localhost ~]$ which java |
| 05:14 | < jeffl> | /usr/bin/java |
| 05:14 | < jeffl> | [jeffl@localhost ~]$ cd /usr/bin/java |
| 05:14 | < jeffl> | bash: cd: /usr/bin/java: Not a directory |
| 05:15 | <@Vornicus> | cd /usr/bin |
| 05:16 | <@Vornicus> | java --version will probably tell you |
| 05:16 | < jeffl> | That works fine. CD java from there does not. |
| 05:17 | <@Vornicus> | Of course not |
| 05:17 | <@Vornicus> | It's a /program/, not a folder |
| 05:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | Concerning the permission denied thing earlier: root bypasses permissions checks for a lot of things, but not execution. Even as root you must explicitly make something +x before you can run it. |
| 05:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | However, since you are root, actually doing that is trivial. |
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| 05:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Woot. All the help code is working |
| 05:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | Now I just need to generate the actual text of the manual, rules, and spellbook |
| 05:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | But that can wait until tomorrow |
| 05:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also, McMartin: turns out you can insert images into a GtkTextBuffer, I was just looking in the wrong place |
| 05:43 | <@McMartin> | Excellent |
| 05:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is now largely irrelevant because I've replaced the part that needed them with expanders, but it may be handy when I'm putting together the manual to illustrate UI elements or the like |
| 06:14 | <@McMartin> | 4! 4 kills in Cruel Brawl! |
| 06:40 | <@Shou|x_X> | Oh? |
| 06:40 | <@Shou|x_X> | I daresay you're better than me ;-; |
| 06:41 | <@Shou|x_X> | I feel much better than I did, so first thing in the afternoon tomorrow, I'll get back to The Learning |
| 06:44 | <@Vornicus> | I won't be here until the evening tomorrow, so I leave instructions, for you to copy: 1. imports; 2. documentation (That Which Separates The Men From The Boys); 3. basic dictionary operation. |
| 06:44 | <@Shou|x_X> | I'll try to get around to it, then :) |
| 06:46 | | * Vornicus isn't very good at writing documentation. But he tries. |
| 06:50 | <@C_tiger> | documentation is for wimps. |
| 06:50 | <@Shou|x_X> | Oh? |
| 06:51 | <@Vornicus> | Documentation is for people who aren't crazy |
| 06:52 | <@Shou|x_X> | >_{> |
| 06:53 | <@C_tiger> | I was kidding, please don't take that comment seriously. |
| 06:54 | <@Shou|x_X> | ell, I was looking forward to your argument on why it was for wimps, but... |
| 06:55 | <@Vornicus> | Documentation is for when you go back two weeks or two months or two years later and go "what the crap is this supposed to do anyway?" |
| 06:56 | <@Vornicus> | It is also for other people, but that's hardly consequential. |
| 06:57 | <@Shou|x_X> | Hehe |
| 06:57 | <@Shou|x_X> | They already got #!/usr/bin/env python |
| 06:58 | <@Shou|x_X> | They don't need anything else >_> |
| 07:00 | < jeffl> | And Python is rather infamously high-level |
| 07:00 | <@Shou|x_X> | Regardless, I can see the benefits of documentation |
| 07:01 | <@Shou|x_X> | Because I HAVE done a few things, come back to them and asked myself what the hell they were, or were supposed to be. |
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| 08:21 | <@jerith> | http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/ann.jspa?annID=295 <-- w00t |
| 08:21 | <@jerith> | (My work here is done.) |
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| 16:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Die, dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 20:42 | < Zemyla> | Hey everyone. |
| 20:42 | < Zemyla> | Quick Java question. Can static methods be abstract? |
| 20:43 | <@Chalain> | Zemyla: I believe so. |
| 20:43 | <@Chalain> | Check with your local compiler to be sure. |
| 20:43 | <@Chalain> | I know you can define static methods in an interface, and then implement them in a class, so I suspect that would be the same thing. |
| 20:44 | < Zemyla> | Okay. |
| 20:45 | <@Chalain> | Hmm |
| 20:46 | <@Chalain> | I appear to be wrong, according to my javac. |
| 20:46 | <@Chalain> | test.java:2: illegal combination of modifiers: abstract and static |
| 20:46 | <@Chalain> | public static abstract int foo(); |
| 20:48 | <@Chalain> | the interface thing works, though. |
| 20:48 | <@Chalain> | this code compiles: http://pastie.caboo.se/171676 |
| 20:49 | <@Chalain> | It doesn't *quite* give you the same thing, though. You don't have the ability to create a static method in the parent class that the chilluns are required to override. |
| 20:50 | <@Chalain> | ...I think. It's been over a year since I touched Java. :-) |
| 20:53 | <@Chalain> | Ah. You CAN get it. |
| 20:53 | <@Chalain> | Declare Test to be abstract, have it implemeent ITest, and now it does not implement the static method, but its children must. |
| 20:54 | <@Chalain> | And if my network had more than 5bits per month of upload bandwidth, I'd pastie that to show you, but it's pretty straightforward. |
| 20:55 | <@Chalain> | There. This code also compiles. Whether or not it does what you want is up to you. :-) http://pastie.caboo.se/171679 |
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| 22:48 | | * Vornicus returns |
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| 23:33 | <@Shou|x_X> | :O |
| 23:33 | | Shou|x_X is now known as Shou |
| 23:34 | < Vornotron> | :O? |
| 23:35 | <@Shou> | Yes. It is about time for The Learning |
| 23:35 | <@Shou> | Right after I make dinner :D |
| 23:36 | < Vornotron> | The Learning! |
| 23:36 | < Vornotron> | also The Dinnering! |
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