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| 00:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | No, that bit makes sense. |
| 00:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's the fact that List<Object> a = new List<Foo>(); passes type checking that strikes me as weird. |
| 00:03 | <@AnnoDomini> | Hey, anyone have experience with Turbo Assembler? I can't seem to make it see the damn file I want assembled. |
| 00:04 | <@McMartin> | TF: It doesn't pass type checking. |
| 00:04 | <@McMartin> | However, I was writing as if it did\. |
| 00:04 | <@McMartin> | Thus, I got 47 trillion errors. |
| 00:05 | <@McMartin> | As it happens, I was able to solve all be three of them via judicious use of <? extends T> modifiers. |
| 00:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 00:05 | <@McMartin> | The other three were simply sloppy design on my part, and I had to do it right instead. |
| 00:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | AnnoDomini: nope, I've only used nasm and weird IDEs. |
| 00:05 | <@McMartin> | I last used Turbo Assembler to write the VGA drivers for Target Acquired. In 1995. |
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| 00:07 | | * McMartin now has about 2/3 of a POJO-based API for iFiction files now. |
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| 00:21 | | * AnnoDomini leaves the bloody piece of dog shit that TASM appears to be, and goes to sleep. |
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| 01:50 | <@McMartin> | Man. MacVICE really *does* suck. |
| 01:51 | <@McMartin> | In fact, I'm not convinced it's actually usable without a 2-button mouse attached. |
| 01:57 | < Darius> | Yeah, it's quite bad. |
| 01:57 | < Darius> | the gtk one is much nicer. |
| 01:57 | <@McMartin> | The experimental Cocoa one appears to just NFW. |
| 01:57 | < Darius> | Yes. |
| 02:00 | <@McMartin> | MacPorts version also DFC. |
| 02:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | VICE? |
| 02:07 | < Darius> | VICE: VIC Emulator, an emulator for the Commodore 64 and 128, the Commodore VIC 20, and some other computers. |
| 02:07 | < Darius> | The best of the bunch. |
| 02:11 | <@McMartin> | Basically, all the 8-bit CBM machines, and all their peripherals. |
| 02:11 | <@McMartin> | http://www.viceteam.org/ |
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| 09:59 | <@McMartin> | Hmm. |
| 09:59 | <@McMartin> | So, on the one hand, this one class definition is 500 lines long. |
| 09:59 | <@McMartin> | On the other, all the org.xml and org.w3c and javax.xml imports are all now constrained to this one, single file. |
| 10:08 | < Vornicus> | I'd go with that. |
| 10:19 | <@McMartin> | Yeah. |
| 10:19 | <@McMartin> | XML *output* I'm going to distribute amongst the data, because that's basically just print statements. |
| 10:22 | < Vornicus> | I'm not sure I'd go with that. |
| 10:24 | <@McMartin> | Since at the moment I only need input, I can punt. |
| 10:25 | < Vornicus> | Okay. |
| 10:27 | | * McMartin also needs to add support for non-Inform tags, as well as forcible ignoring of <annotation>. |
| 10:28 | <@McMartin> | But! Once I do all that. |
| 10:28 | <@McMartin> | Full parsing capability for iFiction records. |
| 10:29 | < Vornicus> | So, playing Kirby's Dreamland 3 |
| 10:29 | < Vornicus> | or, rather, having beaten it |
| 10:29 | < Vornicus> | and the critter credits are going by. |
| 10:29 | < Vornicus> | The "umbrella" miniboss is called "jumper shoot" |
| 10:30 | <@McMartin> | Hee |
| 10:30 | <@McMartin> | http://blorple.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/blorple/src/java/net/sf/blorple/ificti on/Parser.java?revision=19&view=markup |
| 10:33 | <@McMartin> | Blah. The TADS tags require me to be able to replicate HTML. |
| 10:33 | | * McMartin will probably just cheat on that. |
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| 12:12 | <@gnolam> | GODDAMMIT. I am NOT a "f[f]r[r]equent[t] visitor to re[e]t[t]ail sof[f]t[t]w[w]ar[r]e stores". |
| 12:14 | <@gnolam> | This particular spammer annoys the fuck out of me. |
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| 14:20 | | * jerith looks sadly at the code he has just written. |
| 14:20 | <@jerith> | So, Java. |
| 14:21 | <@jerith> | I have a list of strings and a list of objects. |
| 14:21 | <@jerith> | I want to look at the list of objects and essentially filter out objects that do not contain a string in the list of strings. |
| 14:22 | <@jerith> | I have a nested if/for/if/for/if, which I /think/ is the easiest way of doing it. |
| 14:22 | <@jerith> | Oh, if the list of strings to filter on is empty, I don't want to filter at all. |
| 14:23 | <@jerith> | That's the first if. |
| 14:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | "do not contain"? |
| 14:31 | <@TheWatcher> | I think he means that he has a list of objects, each of which contains a string, and a second list which contains some strings, and he wants to remove objects from the first list if the string they contain is not in the second. |
| 14:36 | <@jerith> | Yes, that. |
| 14:37 | <@jerith> | The objects are essentially three-way mappings. I want to filter based on a list of one of the items. |
| 14:37 | <@jerith> | In fact, let me sanitise and pastebin the code. |
| 14:45 | <@jerith> | List<String> filterList = getFilterList(); |
| 14:45 | <@jerith> | List<MyStruct> unfilteredList = getUnfilteredList(); |
| 14:45 | <@jerith> | Crap! |
| 14:45 | <@jerith> | Firefox crashed on me just as I pasted. |
| 14:49 | <@jerith> | http://rafb.net/p/Lyk2kg70.html |
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| 17:26 | | * ToxicFrog implements a tiny subset of the relational calculus |
| 18:38 | < MyCatVerbs> | Define "subset"? |
| 18:39 | < MyCatVerbs> | Complete enough to build all the other constructs? |
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| 19:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ahahahahahano. |
| 19:49 | <@McMartin> | Argh |
| 19:49 | | * McMartin sets Michael Roberts on fire |
| 19:49 | | * McMartin then goes to read up on JAXP |
| 19:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | ? |
| 19:52 | <@McMartin> | The TADS extensions to the iFiction XML format are not actually XML |
| 19:53 | <@McMartin> | This causes the XML parser to die in a fire before it can reach the information I actually need. |
| 19:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh joy. |
| 19:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | Drop TADS support~ |
| 19:55 | <@McMartin> | That's the first solution |
| 19:55 | <@McMartin> | However, it means innocent users will be unable to import data if there's any TADS data anywhere in it. |
| 19:56 | <@McMartin> | It would probably be better to find a switch to flip that says "all TADS data is secretly CDATA, like <pre>, even though it doesn't say so" |
| 19:57 | <@McMartin> | Which I really kind of need anyway to deal with <annotation> |
| 19:57 | <@McMartin> | Which "can contain anything, and tools are required to ignore any they didn't put there |
| 19:58 | <@McMartin> | Which in my case would be stuff in <blorple> tags. Which will be fully XML-compliant thank you very much |
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| 22:07 | <@jerith> | http://vhata.net/files/bored.c <-- A friend of a friend got bored. |
| 22:07 | <@jerith> | (Run it in an 80-column terminal.) |
| 22:32 | <@AnnoDomini> | Nice. |
| 22:33 | <@McMartin> | Cunning. |
| 22:33 | <@McMartin> | Also, in a stroke of SRMD, I have reached the solution to my <tads> problem. |
| 22:33 | <@McMartin> | To with, escape them with regexps before handing it to a stock parser. =P |
| 22:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...how is it that L' has cpp installed, but not gcc? |
| 23:00 | <@McMartin> | cpp is used by applications that aren't gcc. |
| 23:00 | <@McMartin> | Because they are FOOLS in need of GLORIOUS DESTRUCTION, but this is beside the point. |
| 23:01 | | * McMartin forgets the exact quote, but "The Design and Evolution of C++" includes a flavor quote to the effect of "It is my opinion that cpp is evil and needs to destroyed". |
| 23:01 | <@McMartin> | One of the few statements re: the design of C++ that I found sensible~ |
| 23:06 | <@gnolam> | jerith: ? |
| 23:06 | <@McMartin> | It's not a sploit. |
| 23:06 | <@McMartin> | It makes no libc calls besides putchar. |
| 23:08 | | * gnolam wonders what he's apparently missed. |
| 23:08 | <@McMartin> | I assumed you were ?ing at jerith's link. |
| 23:08 | <@gnolam> | Ah. Desynch. |
| 23:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | There's probably some terminal emulator out there which you can do a code-execution attack on using nothing but putchar~ |
| 23:09 | <@gnolam> | Anyone care to re-post that link then? |
| 23:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | <jerith> http://vhata.net/files/bored.c <-- A friend of a friend got bored. |
| 23:09 | | mode/#code [-o ToxicFrog] by ToxicFrog |
| 23:09 | | mode/#code [+o ToxicFrog] by ToxicFrog |
| 23:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | <jerith> http://vhata.net/files/bored.c <-- A friend of a friend got bored. |
| 23:10 | | mode/#code [+oooooo Attilla C_tiger GS|work MyCatVerbs Pi Raif] by AnnoDomini |
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| 23:10 | <@McMartin> | TF: That's the terminal emulator's fault~ |
| 23:10 | <@McMartin> | Actually, running this app through gcc -E makes what it does painfully obvious, so don't do that first, it will ruin the surprise~ |
| 23:12 | | * AnnoDomini ran it in Borland C 3.1. |
| 23:12 | <@McMartin> | (gcc -E applies the preprocessor and sorts out all the #defines, and then dumps the result to the terminal.) |
| 23:12 | <@McMartin> | (Which makes it look less like a rant and more like an only slightly wacky implementation of its algorithm |
| 23:13 | <@gnolam> | AnnoDomini: masochist, eh? |
| 23:14 | <@McMartin> | Alternately, still stuck in DOS. |
| 23:14 | <@McMartin> | On the plus side, this means he can produce .com files. |
| 23:14 | <@McMartin> | ... what with .COM and .NET, clearly the successor to vista will need .ORG and .EDU executable formats. |
| 23:15 | <@McMartin> | For the former, the assembler can be .ORGasm. I'm sure that will go over well. |
| 23:15 | <@AnnoDomini> | gnolam: Bah. It's the ONLY C environment I was actually taught to code in. We had classes for Visual C++, but the TA didn't teach us shit. |
| 23:20 | <@Vornicus> | McM: I do know that there is a microsoft tool called prorgasm. |
| 23:22 | <@gnolam> | Heh. Our dev environment training consists of a small page explaining how to invoke GCC (or gnatmake, or javac, or...). |
| 23:23 | <@gnolam> | By the time we get to anything remotely resembling real programming we're supposed to be used to emacs already. :) |
| 23:24 | <@gnolam> | (BTW, emacs is a program I constantly switch between wanting to hug and wanting to KILL WITH RIGHTEOUS FIRE, but that's another story) |
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