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| 15:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
| 15:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Possibly instructing NEdit to look up a definition in a 600MB tags file was unwise. |
| 15:49 | < MyCatVerbs> | Can't be significantly slower than ordinary grep though, surely? |
| 15:49 | < MyCatVerbs> | Oh nvm, gottago |
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| 15:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes it can, because the part of the source tree I need to search is only around 30MB~ |
| 16:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | ....shiiiit |
| 16:04 | | * ToxicFrog arrives at the discovery that his gtk-server API, as designed, will not work with spellcast |
| 16:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Since Spellcast requires direct access to the socket, for use in select() |
| 16:10 | <@Reiver> | ... |
| 16:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | ??? |
| 16:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | My gtk-server module, as it is, returns a blocking call that you can use to talk to GTK. |
| 16:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Spellcast requires a selectable so that it can do run-to-IO multithreading. |
| 16:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Tasty as high-order functions are, they don't cut it for this. |
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| 16:40 | | * ToxicFrog determines that a build of SGOS using a linux native GCC is half again as fast as the same build with a windows native GCC, twice as fast as a linux wine build with msdev, and four times as fast as a windows64 native build with msdev. |
| 16:41 | <@Vornicus> | HOw big is SGOS anyway? |
| 16:42 | | * ToxicFrog checks |
| 16:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | A bound image is around 40MB, unless it's a debug build in which case it can double in size. The source tree is 600MB (which includes the toolchains), and inflates to several gigabytes during a build. |
| 16:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | (note that the bound image includes static data as well, like the pages and images for the management console) |
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| 17:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: as for length: 5.7MLOC |
| 17:46 | <@Vornicus> | cool. |
| 17:47 | <@gnolam> | How much is that in Volkswagens? |
| 17:47 | <@Vornicus> | that's a unit of code measurement? |
| 17:48 | <@gnolam> | Nah. A generic "we have to dumb this down for the masses" unit. |
| 17:48 | <@gnolam> | Like Libraries of Congress or Football Fields. |
| 18:10 | <@Vornicus> | 0.1 WIndowses. |
| 18:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...windows is 57 MLOC? |
| 18:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | That seems, err. |
| 18:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Excessive. |
| 18:30 | <@Vornicus> | A lot of that is compatibility hacks. |
| 18:31 | <@Vornicus> | the old DOS memory management code, for instance, is still in there, because practically every time there's a bug there's something that takes advantage of it to work. |
| 18:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 18:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | Thankfully, we have no need of such things, as in addition to being the OS developers we are also the sole writers of software for same. |
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| 18:35 | <@Vornicus> | Also it includes the WM, the HTML renderer, and DirectX - so we're talking, like, Linux + X + Gnome + Firefox + OpenGL... |
| 18:35 | | * ToxicFrog ponders. If open source were required - at end of product support lifespan, say - these kind of hacks would be much less necessary. |
| 18:36 | <@Vornicus> | And compatibility hacks in all of it. |
| 18:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | At least until EA and Topware have you assassinated, anyways~ |
| 18:36 | <@Vornicus> | heh |
| 18:36 | | * ToxicFrog nods |
| 18:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | We don't have any sort of GUI except the management console, and that's just web pages - it's up to the client system to deal with the actual rendering. |
| 18:40 | | * ToxicFrog pulls out the gtk-server API and rewrites it |
| 18:41 | <@Vornicus> | What is the newest ---dude, you are fucking insane--- open source FPS system, anyway? |
| 18:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...I am? |
| 18:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's like 100 lines, there's not much rewriting |
| 18:41 | <@Vornicus> | heh, ok |
| 18:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | I mean, I'm rewriting the interface from Lua to the gtk-server |
| 18:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | I rewrote gtk-server's internal API a few weeks ago. |
| 18:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | And, hrm. |
| 18:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | Source is crazy moddable, but the core is still closed-source. |
| 18:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | Doom 3 or Quake 4 gone open source yet? |
| 18:45 | <@Vornicus> | Not that I'm aware of; it usually takes a bit longer than this to do that though. |
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| 21:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, that didn't work out so well. |
| 21:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | find . -iname makefile | xargs nedit-nc |
| 21:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | <long wait> |
| 21:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | find . -iname makefile | wc -l |
| 21:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | 133 |
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