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| 00:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...in the scene in Witch Hunter Robin ep 1, when Lee is coding, if you pause you can read the code. |
| 00:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | He's working on some kind of C<->Lisp interface code. |
| 00:34 | <@Vornicus> | ...hee. |
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| 02:14 | <@gnolam> | And if you look closely at some of the coding in Alias, you can see all kinds of stuff. :) |
| 02:15 | <@gnolam> | Saw an episode just the other week where they hacked an AI coded with... umm... GNU Automake. |
| 02:15 | <@gnolam> | But hey. Makefiles are arcane enough that an AI /might/ just spontaneously emerge. |
| 02:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Having spent a few weeks hacking on the SGOS build system, that would not at all surprise me. |
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| --- Log closed Tue Jul 10 13:39:51 2007 |
| --- Log opened Tue Jul 10 13:39:55 2007 |
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| 13:56 | <@TheWatcher> | Anyone here use gnuplot at all? |
| 14:07 | <@Serah> | I can put my hands above my head, and run around like that while yelling gibbrish, isn't that about the same? |
| 14:07 | <@Serah> | :p |
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| 18:15 | <@Serah> | I have a HTML problem, do you have a HTML answer. |
| 18:16 | <@Vornicus> | perhaps. |
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| 18:17 | <@Serah> | vertical alignment, does not work with valign, or CSS what do I do to make it work? |
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| 18:18 | <@Serah> | Erh, the real problem is that the height refuses to be 100% |
| 18:18 | <@Serah> | As seen here: |
| 18:18 | <@Serah> | http://pastie.caboo.se/77706 |
| 18:19 | <@Vornicus> | Wait, you want the thing to show up in the center of the screen? |
| 18:19 | <@Serah> | yes. |
| 18:19 | <@Vornicus> | okay, let me see what I can hunt down. |
| 18:27 | <@Vornicus> | I don't see any vertical alignment done in there. |
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| 18:32 | <@Vornicus> | hm. |
| 18:38 | <@Vornicus> | It doesn't seem to like taking up the whole screen, is the problem. |
| 18:39 | <@Serah> | Indeed. |
| 18:40 | <@Serah> | <Serah> Erh, the real problem is that the height refuses to be 100% |
| 18:40 | <@Vornicus> | Gner. I almost want to use javascript. |
| 18:41 | <@Serah> | Erdk. |
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| 18:43 | <@Vornicus> | WHere it'd be pretty simple - just set the height of the thing to the listed height of the window. |
| 18:44 | <@Serah> | Yes, I can do it using position that way too. |
| 18:44 | <@Serah> | I considered it. |
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| 19:34 | <@Chalain> | Holy. Freaking. Ruby. |
| 19:34 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | What about it? |
| 19:34 | <@Chalain> | So, like ALL the time it throwaway scripts and test code, I want to iterate over arrays in parallel. |
| 19:35 | <@Chalain> | I always end up doing some crap like foos = [..]; bars = [..]; 10.times { |i| do_something(foos[i], bars[i]) } |
| 19:35 | <@Chalain> | Today on a whim I discovered that the |vars| list expands nested arrays VERY NICELY. |
| 19:36 | <@Chalain> | And so: |
| 19:36 | <@Chalain> | foos = [...]; bars = [...]; bazs = [...]; qazs = [...]; my_blob = foos.zip(bars,bazs,qazs); my_blob.each do |foo, bar, baz, qaz|; do_something(foo,bar,baz,qaz); end |
| 19:38 | <@Chalain> | Given that I'm writing some unit tests on a list objects and I want to test each in turn four ways, I zip up the four things to test and it makes a nice .each loop. |
| 19:38 | <@Chalain> | Sorry. Had to gush. :-) |
| 19:44 | <@Vornicus> | you can do that in Python too, and just about the same way. |
| 19:45 | <@Vornicus> | foos = [...]; bars = [...]; bazs = [...]; qazs = [...]; for foo, bar, baz, qaz in zip(foos, bars, bazs, qazs): do_something(foo, bar, baz, qaz) |
| 19:47 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | What does zip() do? Maps { x, y, z }, { X, Y, Z } to { { x, X }, { y, Y }, { z, Z } }? |
| 19:47 | <@Vornicus> | yes. |
| 19:47 | <@Vornicus> | And with more iterables does as expected. |
| 19:48 | <@Vornicus> | If the iterables are different lengths, it stops when any one is exhausted. |
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| 19:57 | | * ToxicFrog|W`rkn nods |
| 19:59 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | And, yeah, it's similar in Lua except you have to write zip() first. |
| 19:59 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | (which takes about five lines, so) |
| 20:08 | <@Vornicus> | So, really, our response to your discovery seems to be "...and?" |
| 20:09 | <@Vornicus> | :P |
| 20:18 | <@Chalain> | Oh, sorry |
| 20:18 | <@Chalain> | I forgot the important part |
| 20:18 | <@Chalain> | SCREW YOU VORN |
| 20:18 | <@Chalain> | Much better. |
| 20:18 | <@Vornicus> | :D |
| 20:18 | <@Chalain> | :_) |
| 20:18 | <@Chalain> | Gaah! By dose is smasht! |
| 20:20 | <@Chalain> | TF: Yeah, I'll go ahead and give Lua a passing grade. I used to be really put out about having to write everything in Lisp, Scheme and Lua. I still don't particularly *like* it, but I'm okay with it. Lua is very expressive, in it's own kind of weird way. |
| 20:21 | <@Chalain> | Once you've got a good library built up of the stuff you need, Lua moves pretty quickly. |
| 20:22 | <@Chalain> | It just makes me sad that there's probably tens of thousands of people coding Lua (admittedly, most of them are game skripters) and the amount of useful "here's my reusable Lua code" libraries on the web are more on the order of dozens. |
| 20:22 | <@Chalain> | ...and most of those are produced by the same two guys. :-) |
| 20:23 | <@Vornicus> | ...and one of them is in this room. :) |
| 20:23 | <@Chalain> | Yeah |
| 20:23 | <@Chalain> | ToxicFrog... and a guy named Eddie. |
| 20:23 | <@Chalain> | Well, Edjao. |
| 20:23 | <@Chalain> | Get it? Portuguese? Eh? EH? |
| 20:24 | <@Chalain> | "Eh." |
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| 20:28 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Perl programmers! |
| 20:28 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | How do I change something to lowercase? |
| 20:28 | <@Chalain> | lc($var) |
| 20:28 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Thankye. |
| 20:29 | <@Chalain> | cf. uc($var). -) |
| 20:29 | <@Chalain> | np |
| 20:29 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | (speaking of util.lua, I need to publish the updated version of that) |
| 20:29 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | (which includes better integration with the stdlib, new table functions, a superior getopts implementation, and the addition of fprintf as a method call on file handles) |
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