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| 01:34 | < Chalcedon> | should break break the loop or stop the function? |
| 01:35 | <@Vornicus> | Break breaks a loop. |
| 01:35 | <@Vornicus> | To kill a function entirely use return or raise as appropriate. |
| 01:35 | < Chalcedon> | ok... so why is it breaking my function then... |
| 01:35 | <@Vornicus> | Show me? |
| 01:35 | < Chalcedon> | what does raise do? |
| 01:35 | < Chalcedon> | how about I post it to LJ? It's a fair amount of code |
| 01:35 | <@Vornicus> | raises an exception. Generally you only do that when you have come upon an error you can't fix. |
| 01:35 | < Chalcedon> | ah! |
| 01:35 | < Chalcedon> | right |
| 01:36 | <@Vornicus> | pastie. |
| 01:36 | < Chalcedon> | I feel uncomfortable with that (yes, I'm silly, I know) |
| 01:37 | <@Vornicus> | yes, you are silly. |
| 01:38 | < Chalcedon> | at least I admit it |
| 01:38 | < Chalcedon> | or I could flood the channel |
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| 01:39 | < Chalcedon> | this is the loop: |
| 01:39 | < Chalcedon> | . |
| 01:39 | < Chalcedon> | -er- |
| 01:39 | < Chalcedon> | while column < 4: |
| 01:39 | < Chalcedon> | if BMI < categories[column]: |
| 01:39 | < Chalcedon> | break |
| 01:39 | < Chalcedon> | else: |
| 01:39 | < Chalcedon> | column += 1 |
| 01:39 | < Chalcedon> | (where the if and else are in line) |
| 01:39 | <@Vornicus> | Right, right |
| 01:40 | <@Vornicus> | And is it doing the stuff after the end of the while loop |
| 01:40 | <@Vornicus> | ? |
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| 01:40 | < Chalcedon> | I'm not sure. |
| 01:40 | < Chalcedon> | it gives me this error: |
| 01:40 | < Chalcedon> | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 01:40 | < Chalcedon> | File "<pyshell#5>", line 1, in -toplevel- |
| 01:40 | < Chalcedon> | generatePhysicalDescription(20) |
| 01:40 | < Chalcedon> | File "D:\Installations\Python 24\Human.py", line 53, in generatePhysicalDescription |
| 01:40 | < Chalcedon> | descriptLine = descriptions.next() |
| 01:40 | < Chalcedon> | StopIteration |
| 01:40 | < Chalcedon> | and doesn't print like it's supposed to |
| 01:40 | <@Vornicus> | well that's a new one. |
| 01:40 | < Chalcedon> | So, I guess thats a no, it doesn't do stuff after the end of the loop |
| 01:41 | <@Vornicus> | I wonder why it's raising an exception. |
| 01:41 | <@Vornicus> | Um. |
| 01:41 | < Chalcedon> | actually |
| 01:41 | <@Vornicus> | Do me a favor, pastebin the entire function. |
| 01:41 | < Chalcedon> | descriptLine = descriptions.next() is after the end of the loop |
| 01:41 | <@Vornicus> | ...oh. |
| 01:42 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah, you shouldn't generally call next() yourself. |
| 01:42 | < Chalcedon> | ok. |
| 01:42 | < Chalcedon> | ok, I'm looking at the wrong bloodly loop |
| 01:42 | | * Chalcedon thwap head |
| 01:43 | < Chalcedon> | the problem is I have a file (CSV) with categories at the top and a list underneath |
| 01:43 | < Chalcedon> | so I only want the first line initially then I don't want hte first line at all |
| 01:43 | <@Vornicus> | next()'s definition is that it should raise StopIteration when it's out of things to iterate over. |
| 01:43 | < Chalcedon> | right. |
| 01:44 | < Chalcedon> | descriptLine = descriptions.next() |
| 01:44 | < Chalcedon> | while descriptLine != None: |
| 01:44 | < Chalcedon> | if descriptLine[column] != "": |
| 01:44 | < Chalcedon> | availableDescriptions.append(descriptLine[column]) |
| 01:44 | < Chalcedon> | descriptLine = descriptions.next() |
| 01:44 | < Chalcedon> | I think I may see how to do it. |
| 01:44 | < Chalcedon> | I just dont' know how to do it in Python |
| 01:44 | | * Chalcedon hunts for Pythons error handling stuff |
| 01:44 | < Chalcedon> | StopIteration is an exception? |
| 01:45 | <@Vornicus> | uh, like this: |
| 01:45 | <@Vornicus> | for descriptLine in descriptions: |
| 01:45 | <@Vornicus> | if descripLine[column] != "": |
| 01:45 | <@Vornicus> | availableDescriptions.append(descriptLine[column]) |
| 01:46 | < Chalcedon> | and then delete the first item in the list? |
| 01:46 | <@Vornicus> | StopIteration is an exception, and one you shouldn't really ever have to see. |
| 01:46 | <@Vornicus> | nope. It will iterate over them naturally. |
| 01:48 | < Chalcedon> | ok... it's almost working now |
| 01:48 | < Chalcedon> | (and now that I've done it I see why you don't need to exclude the top line) |
| 01:50 | < Chalcedon> | helps if you convert the string to a floating point number |
| 01:51 | | * Chalcedon cookies Vorn |
| 01:51 | < Chalcedon> | my head is too full of C# |
| 01:52 | <@Vornicus> | heh |
| 01:52 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah, that, uh, happens |
| 01:52 | < Chalcedon> | that and I have a lot to learn about programming |
| 02:00 | < Chalcedon> | hem |
| 02:00 | < Chalcedon> | *hrm |
| 02:00 | < Chalcedon> | new question: can I call next() on a csv twice? (with out going file.next() \n file.next()) |
| 02:01 | < Chalcedon> | maybe it's not necessary |
| 02:01 | <@Vornicus> | Um |
| 02:01 | <@Vornicus> | Don't Use next() Unless You Mean It. |
| 02:01 | <@Vornicus> | for ... in ...: works better. |
| 02:01 | < Chalcedon> | is there another way to retrieve just one line? |
| 02:02 | | * Chalcedon nods |
| 02:02 | <@Vornicus> | Gah, okay, what are you doing? |
| 02:02 | < Chalcedon> | same thing, except there's two sets of categories |
| 02:02 | < Chalcedon> | (I'm making a random NPC generator - like for inkeepers and random people) |
| 02:02 | <@Vornicus> | Obviously I'm missing it. Show me the entire code. Pastie is preferred over LJ because pastie will do syntax highlighting. |
| 02:03 | < Chalcedon> | is it possible to make it private in Pastie? |
| 02:03 | < Chalcedon> | also, I haven't actually written this bit of code, I'm just trying to work out how |
| 02:05 | <@Vornicus> | Generally pastebins don't give that ability. I know I saw one that allows private posts, sorta, but I don't remember where it was. |
| 02:05 | < Chalcedon> | I found a box for locking the paste |
| 02:05 | < Chalcedon> | do you want the whole class or just the function? |
| 02:06 | < Chalcedon> | This paste will be private. (it's next to the language) |
| 02:06 | <@Vornicus> | The whole class. |
| 02:07 | < Chalcedon> | http://pastie.caboo.se/private/e58ainsjcpabylmaot |
| 02:08 | <@Vornicus> | Okay, hm. |
| 02:09 | < Chalcedon> | I'd paste the data, but I don't htink that'll work so well |
| 02:09 | <@Vornicus> | I'm going to need to see /some/ of it |
| 02:09 | < Chalcedon> | Male 66 72 79 |
| 02:09 | < Chalcedon> | Female 61 67 79 |
| 02:09 | < Chalcedon> | short average tall |
| 02:09 | < Chalcedon> | tiny medium lanky |
| 02:09 | < Chalcedon> | squat middle towering |
| 02:09 | < Chalcedon> | the column under male/female is blank |
| 02:09 | < Chalcedon> | so its 4 columns wide |
| 02:09 | <@Vornicus> | hm. |
| 02:09 | | * Vornicus wonders if there's a pastebin-alike that does tables. that'd be awesome. |
| 02:10 | < Chalcedon> | I'll see if I can persuade LJ to do a table |
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| 02:10 | <@Vornicus> | Not hard. |
| 02:10 | <@Vornicus> | But yeah, I see what you're getting at. |
| 02:11 | <@Vornicus> | And shouldn't it be "thin" instead of "medium" and "fat" instead of "middle"? |
| 02:11 | <@Vornicus> | But, uh, seriously |
| 02:11 | <@Vornicus> | This doesn't look or feel like a single table, so it shouldn't be in a single file. |
| 02:12 | <@Vornicus> | Not like this, anyway. |
| 02:13 | <@Vornicus> | If you use a more structured file format then maybe. |
| 02:13 | < Chalcedon> | good idea |
| 02:13 | < Chalcedon> | (with thin and fat) |
| 02:14 | < Chalcedon> | how do you mean with the format? |
| 02:14 | | * Reiver eyes that code. |
| 02:14 | <@Reiver> | tiny/medium/lanky? |
| 02:14 | < Chalcedon> | :p |
| 02:15 | <@Vornicus> | I mean to say that you have one data table that has just genders and heights, and another data table that's descriptions of various height/weight combinations. |
| 02:15 | <@Reiver> | Stumpy/medium/lanky, or solid/medium/lanky would be more logical? |
| 02:15 | < Chalcedon> | it's not finished!! |
| 02:16 | < Chalcedon> | it's not supposed to be height/weight combinations |
| 02:16 | < Chalcedon> | just heights |
| 02:16 | <@Vornicus> | And these two tables have only the column names the same, not the data types used or the semantic meaning of a record. |
| 02:16 | < Chalcedon> | theres one table for heights one table for weights |
| 02:16 | < Chalcedon> | well (BMI, but) |
| 02:17 | < Chalcedon> | I don't understand that one Vorn |
| 02:18 | < Chalcedon> | http://chalcy.livejournal.com/1936.html |
| 02:18 | <@Vornicus> | What I'm trying to say is that your thing has two different kinds of rows, other than the (implied, and missing) header row. |
| 02:18 | < Chalcedon> | well, I left the header out because it complicates reading the file |
| 02:19 | <@Vornicus> | And this is a Bad Thing To Have when working with CSV: the implied contract is that each row has the same kind of stuff in it, except for the header row if it's present. |
| 02:20 | < Chalcedon> | so how should I do it then? |
| 02:20 | < Chalcedon> | because determining which category in one file and getting the description out of another just makes it ridiculously complicated |
| 02:21 | <@Vornicus> | How so? |
| 02:21 | < Chalcedon> | I've always found that the more files there are, the harder they are to keep track of |
| 02:21 | <@Vornicus> | Sure, it makes the initial formatting of the data a bit complicated, but it also makes the code a hell of a lot cleaner and simpler, and you don't need to have as rigid a format. |
| 02:22 | < Chalcedon> | plus if the two bits of info are in different places it makes trying to actually read the file (as opposed to using a program to read it) difficult |
| 02:22 | <@Vornicus> | I mean, what if I wanted to make a race with three genders |
| 02:22 | < Chalcedon> | well, I don't see how it can be made less rigid |
| 02:22 | < Chalcedon> | i can't see me wishing to do this |
| 02:22 | <@Vornicus> | I can see /me/ wishing to do this. |
| 02:23 | < Chalcedon> | I can see what you're getting at. I don't agree with you in this case. But I can see what you mean. |
| 02:24 | <@Vornicus> | The thing I'm trying to get at, though, is that you're trying to stuff two data tables into a single file where CSV is decidedly not capable of that kind of work with any sense of reliability or cleanliness. |
| 02:25 | < Chalcedon> | I had reached that conclusion |
| 02:25 | < Chalcedon> | the argument is not being assisted by the fact that I'm getting cold and grumpy for reasons entirely unrelated to this conversation |
| 02:26 | <@Vornicus> | You /can/ use two files and just read it in and make the file go away though. |
| 02:26 | < Chalcedon> | ? |
| 02:26 | <@Vornicus> | This is, in fact, the Right Way To Do It. |
| 02:26 | < Chalcedon> | the cold is making my brain stop working. please explain? |
| 02:26 | <@Vornicus> | Load your files in, put the data in some structures that are accessible to everything that needs it, and then close the files and forget they exist. |
| 02:27 | <@Vornicus> | Unless you're doing full-on file manipulation, this is preferred. |
| 02:27 | < Chalcedon> | so, like a 2D array? |
| 02:27 | <@Vornicus> | Yes. |
| 02:28 | < Chalcedon> | ok, I think that works |
| 02:28 | < Chalcedon> | (in my brain) |
| 02:29 | | * Chalcedon decides to leave implementing this for when her brain is cooperating |
| 02:29 | | * Chalcedon hugs and cookies Vorn, thanks for the help |
| 02:29 | | * Vornicus hugs and nroms. |
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| 04:56 | < Chalcedon> | I decided to work on an easier problem |
| 05:07 | <@Vornicus> | Heh, ok |
| 05:31 | < Chalcedon> | that one was a bit complex for my brain at the moment |
| 05:39 | <@Vornicus> | What'd you decide on? |
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| 07:05 | < Takyoji> | One thing I'm very curious about.. How could a person actually assemble hardware and design a driver for it? |
| 07:06 | < Takyoji> | I know it's quite complex, but what actual process would be necessary? |
| 07:10 | <@Vornicus> | Well, you start with a schematic, usually |
| 07:11 | <@Vornicus> | Which says where the inputs and outputs are, and sometimes some more interesting things. |
| 07:11 | <@Vornicus> | Then you look at that and... you know, I really should just link to the French Waiter Analogy. |
| 07:11 | <@Vornicus> | http://samba.org/ftp/tridge/misc/french_cafe.txt |
| 07:12 | <@Vornicus> | This talks about throwing things at a file server, not a hardware peripheral, but the process is approximately the same |
| 07:18 | <@jerith> | Well, if you design and construct the hardware you don't really need to reverse-engineer stuff. |
| 07:19 | <@jerith> | The complexity pretty much depends on the hardware and drivers involved. |
| 07:31 | < Raif> | Yep. |
| 07:32 | < Raif> | You can write a COM port driver in a matter of hours. |
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| 07:32 | < Takyoji> | ahh |
| 07:32 | < Raif> | USB isn't all that complex either, I don't think, provided you've got the hardware. |
| 07:33 | <@Vornicus> | A lot of USB stuff has pretty standard drivers, too. |
| 07:33 | < Raif> | I'm assuming the device isn't a clone of some other existing device (e.g. keyboards) |
| 07:33 | <@Vornicus> | Keyboards and mice, other HIDs, storage... the entire class of devices uses the same driver. |
| 07:34 | < Takyoji> | I mean just something utterly simple as sensors |
| 07:34 | < Takyoji> | water temperature, power management, etc |
| 07:34 | <@Vornicus> | heh. If you know the spec, you're done in five minutes. |
| 07:35 | <@Vornicus> | well, I lie, but. |
| 07:35 | < Takyoji> | I hardly know much though, which sucks |
| 07:35 | < Raif> | Easy stuff. |
| 07:35 | < Takyoji> | A friend of mine knows a little more than I |
| 07:35 | < Raif> | Granted, I dunno whether the new WDDM stuff for Vista makes things harder or easier... |
| 07:35 | < Takyoji> | I used to fiddle with eletronics, but didn't get very indepth on it |
| 07:36 | < Raif> | Now that I think about it, I've written some pretty cool drivers. |
| 07:37 | < Raif> | One class I took in college... I needed to wire up an RC car to a PIC chip, and then write assembly for the chip that controlled the car. |
| 07:37 | < Raif> | We did some pretty crazy shit with square waves and pulses. |
| 07:37 | < Takyoji> | heh, interesting |
| 07:38 | < Raif> | Interesting fact about this particular car's steering: It was based on frequency. So you send a constant signal to the steering motor, and if you increase the frequency it turned right, and a lower frequency turned it left. |
| 07:39 | < Takyoji> | ahh |
| 07:39 | < Raif> | People who didn't know that had some funny bugs. This chip only had two pulse timers, so one for the drive and one for the steering. |
| 07:39 | < Takyoji> | And the strength of the signal defined the speed? |
| 07:39 | < Takyoji> | erm |
| 07:39 | < Takyoji> | ahh |
| 07:40 | < Raif> | We had three devices (we wrote a square wave generator to power a speaker), so we actually borrowed the steering pulse and made it play short snippets of sound before returning control to the drive. |
| 07:41 | < Takyoji> | ahh |
| 07:42 | < Raif> | The sounds were short enough that we could steal the steering control and give it back between notes for quick steering adjustments... pretty cool stuff. :) |
| 07:42 | < Takyoji> | So somebody could actually edit an audio file an use it to steer it? :P |
| 07:42 | < Raif> | You'd never notice that the steering cut out whenever a tone played, because we didn't have any really long notes. If we did, the steering would just stop responding until the end of the note. :) |
| 07:42 | < Raif> | No, the audio was embedded in the rom as source code. |
| 07:42 | < Takyoji> | oh |
| 07:43 | < Raif> | plus it was seperate... if you piped it into the steering control you'd just get left turns for low notes and right turns for high notes. :) |
| 07:43 | < Raif> | (At least that's my assumption. We never actually tried it) |
| 07:44 | <@Vornicus> | ...wait, you played music from the same pulse generator that you steered the car with? |
| 07:44 | < Raif> | Had to. |
| 07:44 | < Raif> | Essentially all that means is whenever a note was playing the car had to go straight. |
| 07:45 | < Raif> | (No signal at all meant "cut power to the steering moter") |
| 07:46 | < Raif> | actually, I'm not sure if I'm misremembering that. Either it defaulted to go straight or cutting power. I vaguely remember the car could turn when we played sound, so I think it just cut the power and left the wheels in whatever position they were in last. |
| 07:46 | < Raif> | Anyway, I think it was spiffy. :) |
| 07:47 | < Raif> | IIRC, we also borrowed the drive timer, but I don't remember what for. |
| 07:49 | < Raif> | As to the purpose of your question, we had a bit you could set that would switch which output got the pulse signal, so the steering and the speakers weren't getting the signal at the same time. |
| 07:49 | < Raif> | (Though that would be both fucked up AND hilarious) |
| 07:49 | < Takyoji> | Was it directly wired to the computer, or did you operate it wirelessly? |
| 07:50 | < Takyoji> | It was wired directly, right? |
| 07:50 | < Raif> | Everything went through a peg board. |
| 07:50 | < Raif> | So yeah, direct wiring. |
| 07:51 | < Takyoji> | ahh |
| 07:52 | < Raif> | As in, we hijacked the cables the radio controller would have used. |
| 07:53 | < Takyoji> | oh |
| 07:53 | < Raif> | The only thing we didn't have was debug LED's, which could have been really useful. |
| 07:53 | < Takyoji> | yea |
| 07:53 | < Raif> | So yeah, drivers aren't all that bad, depending on your hardware. :) |
| 07:54 | < Takyoji> | How exactly do you create a driver though? |
| 07:54 | < Raif> | It can be as simple as saying "Set this register to 0x7F" if you want it to be. |
| 07:54 | < Takyoji> | ahh |
| 07:54 | <@Vornicus> | Exactly like we've said. |
| 07:55 | <@Vornicus> | Well, okay, you usually write it in C, and you often have to conform to an API on the OS side. |
| 07:55 | < Raif> | In the case of a PC, you just use API's to say "I want to send this signal to pin 1 on COM 0" (that's a simplification, but yeah). |
| 07:55 | <@Vornicus> | ...wow. using "the OS side" as the high level end of a glue layer is not something I usually do. |
| 07:55 | < Raif> | Yeah, ain't it grand? |
| 07:55 | < Raif> | But this is what the kernel was designed to do: abstract the hardware. |
| 07:56 | < Raif> | actually, drivers do that, but whatever. :P |
| 07:57 | < Raif> | Anyway, off to watch another movie. |
| 07:57 | < Takyoji> | Bye Raif |
| 07:57 | < Raif> | Toodles. |
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| 20:04 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Ok, here's where having 0-indexed arrays would be handy. |
| 20:04 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I can't remember whether I decided that Maps are 0-indexed (the way they are stored) or 1-indexed (the way Lua likes things) |
| 20:05 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | ...on the other hand, I can implement it however the hell I like, because accessing Map.tiles directly is Wrong. |
| 20:05 | | * ToxicFrog|W`rkn huggles encapsulation |
| 20:07 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | ...hmmm. |
| 20:07 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I have a number./ |
| 20:07 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I need to round it up to the next -power- of two. |
| 20:08 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I do not have access to log2. |
| 20:14 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Integer, or float? |
| 20:14 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Anddo you have access to any log? |
| 20:16 | | * Vornicus-Latens assumes of course you have * / < and >, which is all you need. |
| 20:18 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | for integers: result = 1; while (result < n) result *= 2; return result |
| 20:18 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | use <= instead of < if you want 2 to round to 4 instead of 2. |
| 20:21 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | (this of course only works with positive numbers.) |
| 20:23 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Floats you need to do a similar thing with heading away from 1 in the other direction. |
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| 20:31 | <@Chalcedon> | how do you create a copy of a variable again? |
| 20:31 | <@Chalcedon> | (ie copy one variable into another) |
| 20:38 | <@Vornicus> | a copy? in Python, copy(foo) creates a copy. |
| 20:38 | <@Vornicus> | there's also the deepcopy module, which does more. |
| 20:39 | <@Chalcedon> | nono, thats alll I wanted :) |
| 20:39 | <@Chalcedon> | thanks |
| 20:40 | <@Vornicus> | (copy creates shallow copies - both copies refer underneath to the same object) |
| 20:44 | <@Chalcedon> | so changing one changes the other? |
| 20:46 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Vornicus: floats, but I can floor them first to make things easier. and I have access to log10 and loge. |
| 20:46 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | And, yeah, I already came up with that, I was hoping for a simpler formula~ |
| 20:47 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Vornicus: how does copy() differ from assignment, then? |
| 20:47 | <@Vornicus> | 2**floor(log10(n)/log10(2) + 1) |
| 20:47 | <@Vornicus> | Um |
| 20:47 | <@Vornicus> | Both copies refer underneath to any objects that they would refer to. Let me describe again. |
| 20:47 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I mean, if copy just copies by reference, how do "foo = bar" and "foo = copy(bar)" differ? |
| 20:47 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Aah. |
| 20:47 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Yes, that makes more sense. |
| 20:48 | <@Vornicus> | except that it doesn't appear to be a builtin either. |
| 20:48 | <@Vornicus> | gah, hang on. |
| 20:48 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Chalcedon: the copy is a distinct object, and changing it won't change the original. However, if the original referred to -other- objects too, the copy will refer to the same objects rather than copies of those as well. |
| 20:49 | <@Chalcedon> | ah. I think I see. |
| 20:49 | <@Chalcedon> | create a copy of /this/ object but leave those other objects (that this object refers to) alone. |
| 20:49 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Indeed. |
| 20:50 | <@Chalcedon> | excellent :) |
| 20:50 | | * Chalcedon now understands :) |
| 20:50 | <@Vornicus> | So if you copy a list of lists, using append() on one of the inner lists will change the inner list, which is referred to by both copies. |
| 20:50 | <@Chalcedon> | yay my NPC generator is nearly finished :) |
| 20:50 | <@Vornicus> | yay |
| 20:50 | | * Chalcedon nods at Vornicus |
| 20:51 | <@Chalcedon> | so if I needed a completely distinct copy of a list of lists, I'd need to use the deep copy module? |
| 20:51 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | ...hmm. The SS1 map format appears to top out at 128x128 tiles. |
| 20:51 | <@Chalcedon> | I just need to sort out the slightly complicated bit from yesterday and tidy up the output |
| 20:51 | | * Chalcedon contemplates a GUI |
| 20:51 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | 256x256, sorry. |
| 20:52 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | The object xref table supports 65536x65536, but the master object table uses one byte. |
| 20:55 | | * Chalcedon hugaVorn |
| 20:56 | <@Chalcedon> | I realised that your idea really is the best way of doing it because I'll have the racial boundaries in separate files, but the descriptions (short, average, tall) won't really vary from race to race. |
| 20:58 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Hmm. Being able to pass ASTs around would come in handy here. |
| 20:58 | | * Chalcedon supplies cookies |
| 20:59 | <@Vornicus> | Chalcy: yes. |
| 21:00 | | * Vornicus hugaChalcy, nroms cookies. |
| 21:01 | <@Chalcedon> | I just couldn't see that yesterday, I'm pleased I left it overnight |
| 21:01 | <@Chalcedon> | I also cleared up another problem I was having |
| 21:03 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Yay! |
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| 21:24 | <@ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | getmetatable(io.stdout).__index.printf = fprintf -- I cannot believe that worked |
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| 21:40 | | * Chalcedon pokes python |
| 21:41 | <@Chalcedon> | can one not do: if x and y: (then) |
| 21:41 | <@Chalcedon> | *? |
| 21:42 | <@Chalcedon> | never mind, I sorted it |
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| 22:40 | <@Chalcedon> | (it's alive) |
| 22:40 | <@Vornicus> | (woot) |
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| 23:15 | < Ev3> | Which Wiki would you suggest for an RPG/Coding based wiki? |
| 23:15 | < Ev3> | And do you know of any wiki with syntax highlight? (ROR/PHP especially) |
| 23:17 | <@Vornicus> | Mediawiki is made of awesome, and you can probably find syntax highlighting modules for it. |
| 23:17 | < Ev3> | I far prefer MoinMoin :p |
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| 23:18 | <@Vornicus> | I have found Moin to be rather fragile. |
| 23:20 | < Serah> | Fragile? |
| 23:21 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah. I upgraded my moin install and I ended up with a very broken search. |
| 23:21 | < Serah> | Oh. |
| 23:21 | <@Vornicus> | Also I have to reinstall it every time I upgrade Python. |
| 23:21 | <@Vornicus> | Fragile. |
| 23:22 | <@Chalcedon> | woe :( |
| 23:22 | | * Chalcedon should probably upgrade her Python |
| 23:28 | <@Vornicus> | There are also some Rails wikis floating around, they probably can handle a lot of different things. |
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