| --- Log opened Tue Jul 03 00:00:38 2007 |
| --- Day changed Tue Jul 03 2007 |
| 00:00 | < takyoji> | Or more directly: What is CVS? |
| 00:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | CVS is a version control system. |
| 00:02 | < takyoji> | So my best bet would be to have it read from the CVS repository on SourceForge? |
| 00:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | CVS stores source. |
| 00:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | So it would also have to rebuild itself. |
| 00:05 | < takyoji> | So then I would have to use a Subversion repository? |
| 00:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | ... |
| 00:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Subversion serves the same purpose: it stores versioned copies of source code. |
| 00:07 | < takyoji> | ohh |
| 00:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | You can use them to store binaries if you really want to, but that's really not what they're meant for. |
| 00:08 | < takyoji> | ahh |
| 00:09 | < takyoji> | So CVS has it's own protocol? |
| 00:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
| 00:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Version_control -- reading up on this might be worthwhile |
| 00:13 | < takyoji> | k |
| 00:13 | < takyoji> | Nobody has really taught me at all about it since I am self-taught |
| 00:13 | < takyoji> | So I might miss a few things that are common sense |
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| 00:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...awesome! |
| 00:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | I have successfully generated postscript that is larger than the image it produces. |
| 01:10 | < takyoji> | heheheheh |
| 01:10 | < takyoji> | So a postscript is for automating Photoshop or what software? |
| 01:11 | < takyoji> | right? |
| 01:12 | < takyoji> | Erm.. |
| 01:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | ....nooooo... |
| 01:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Postscript is a printer control language. |
| 01:12 | < takyoji> | I suppose I should have checked wikipedia |
| 01:12 | < takyoji> | Ohhh |
| 01:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | You can also feed it to a postscript interpreter to generate images and suchlike. |
| 01:12 | < takyoji> | ah |
| 01:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | If you are totally insane you can write interactive programs in it, but I don't do that. |
| 01:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anymore. |
| 01:13 | < takyoji> | Which converts it to a print job, then prints |
| 01:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | No. |
| 01:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which generates an image from it. |
| 01:13 | < takyoji> | oh |
| 01:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | The idea behind postscript is that you send the postscript code to the printer, which prints what it generates. |
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| 01:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | However, you can also send it to an interpreter such as gs, which, rather than printing it, will display it on screen or create a PNG image from it or the like. |
| 01:15 | < takyoji> | ah, now I understand |
| 01:16 | < takyoji> | There's an extension for PHP that involves Postscripts, but I haven't fiddled with it much |
| 01:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | http://www.funkyhorror.net/toxicfrog/projects/stoatburgers.ps -- some postscript code |
| 01:19 | < takyoji> | ahh |
| 01:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's explicitly stackful with postfix notation, which makes it really easy to parse (a benefit when you need to fit the interpreter onto a printer), but reading it takes some practice. |
| 01:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Especially when you see constructs like 0 -1 -1 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 setlinewidth moveto rlineto rlineto rlineto fill |
| 01:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | (which in practice no self-respecting program will genenerate. Hopefully.) |
| 01:23 | < takyoji> | yea |
| 01:23 | < takyoji> | Is it also dependant on indentation? |
| 01:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | No. |
| 01:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Indeed, the entire grammar of postscript, disregarding comments, is pretty much: |
| 01:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | PROGRAM := TOKENS |
| 01:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | TOKENS: token TOKENS | epsilon |
| 01:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | I indent just to make it more readable. |
| 01:26 | < takyoji> | Yea, to keep it lightweight as you had said |
| 01:26 | < takyoji> | Yea, I assumed so |
| 01:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways. Extremely useful language to know if you're doing image generation related stuff. |
| 01:45 | | * ToxicFrog considers. |
| 01:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, with level geometry display working, I think the next step is to actually finish the backend so I have better test data. |
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| 01:51 | < takyoji> | What line count is your ps currently? |
| 01:52 | < takyoji> | Erm "What is the line count of your ps"* |
| 02:04 | < takyoji> | So what exactly is "System Shock"? A game? |
| 02:05 | <@gnolam> | Yes. |
| 02:05 | <@gnolam> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Shock |
| 02:06 | < takyoji> | ahh |
| 02:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | 300 lines, 4kB |
| 02:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also, System Shock. 1994 DOS games by Looking Glass Studios (who you hopefully know from other classics such as Ultima Underworld, Strike Force Centauri, and Thief). First-person SF/cyberpunk/horror/action. Just you, a space station controlled by an insane AI, and a lot of deathbots. |
| 02:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Noteworthy features: true 3d rendering, physics, realtime lighting, 3d model support, lots of player actions, independent look/aim. |
| 02:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | (now go play it~) |
| 02:28 | < takyoji> | heh |
| 02:28 | < takyoji> | An old DOS game aye? |
| 02:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | I did just say. |
| 02:29 | < takyoji> | yea |
| 02:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Why? |
| 02:33 | < takyoji> | Oh I was just curious. I was just skimming through the documents you have in http://www.funkyhorror.net/toxicfrog/projects/ |
| 02:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 02:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | The index page there is very out of date. |
| 02:34 | < takyoji> | It used to be where you uploaded your projects? |
| 02:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | It still is,. |
| 02:34 | < takyoji> | oh |
| 02:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | However, the index.html now bears little resemblance to the actual contents of that dir. |
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| --- Log closed Wed Jul 04 00:00:55 2007 |