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| 13:21 | | * UndeadAnno revises for a C++/Java exam tomorrow. Wow, C++ actually makes sense, now that I understand OOP. |
| 13:21 | <@Vornicus> | A twisted sort of sense. |
| 13:22 | <@UndeadAnno> | Java's syntax is clearer, IMO. |
| 13:22 | <@Vornicus> | Obviously. Java is designed to Not Make The Mistakes Of C++. |
| 13:25 | <@Vornicus> | That said it still makes several mistakes - the difference between classes and types, the complete lack of operator overloads (a mistake of going too far, really - they wanted to make it clearer what was going on, but forgot that scientific software needs operators, so removed them entirely instead of taking the Python route), == as object identity... |
| 13:25 | <@jerith> | Yeah. |
| 13:26 | <@jerith> | Still, in the words of GLS: "We've dragged them kicking and screaming halfway toward lisp. That has to count for something." |
| 13:26 | | * Vornicus /really likes/ the Python version of operator overloading. |
| 13:26 | <@Vornicus> | GLS? |
| 13:26 | <@jerith> | (Massively paraphrased, but I don't remember enough.) |
| 13:27 | <@jerith> | Guy L Steele, Lisper and one of the Java designers. |
| 13:27 | <@Vornicus> | ah |
| 13:31 | <@Vornicus> | But, really |
| 13:32 | <@Vornicus> | Simultaneously the best and most horrible thing about Java is the library. |
| 13:32 | <@Vornicus> | Which has some /real/ groaners in it. |
| 13:36 | <@UndeadAnno> | Oh? |
| 13:37 | <@jerith> | And the Apache Commons stuff is even more of a mixed bag. |
| 13:39 | <@Vornicus> | There is, for instance, JDBC. Which does it right, approximately at least. It's not ActiveRecord, though really you can't expect that from something supposed to be general. |
| 13:39 | < GeekSoldier> | jerith, that GLS quote: excellent. made my day. |
| 13:40 | | * jerith takes a bow. |
| 13:40 | <@Vornicus> | Then there is the Calendar stuff, and AWT and Swing, and the container classes which AREN'T FUCKING THREADSAFE... |
| 13:41 | | * UndeadAnno doesn't like that Java can't apparently parse negative floats from a String. |
| 13:42 | <@Vornicus> | I still have no idea what went wrong there, it /should/ work. |
| 13:43 | <@UndeadAnno> | Should, but doesn't. |
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