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| 05:06 | < Janus> | Hum... The short hand notation math books use... For the cross product of two points, is it just "final.x = y * p.z - z * p.y" with variations of this for the other two 'y' and 'z' thingies..? |
| 05:08 | | * Janus copied that straight from an operator overloading function. Yay for overloading~ |
| 05:09 | <@Vornicus> | yeah |
| 05:10 | <@Vornicus> | Keep them in the same order, though |
| 05:12 | < Janus> | It's not communitive, right? By the way... which operator would fit a cross product function? |
| 05:12 | <@Vornicus> | Dot and cross I do not apply to an operator. |
| 05:13 | < Janus> | Hmm... |
| 05:18 | < Janus> | Alright, thanks for the help~ |
| 05:20 | <@Vornicus> | And cross product is not commutative: a x b = -(b x a) |
| 05:21 | < Janus> | Ah! That reminds me~ |
| 05:22 | < Janus> | If I were to use the equation here for determining distance... http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Point-LineDistance3-Dimensional.html |
| 05:22 | <@Vornicus> | Also, am I correct in thinking that you're using mutable vectors? I would recommend against that; they act a lot like numbers. |
| 05:23 | < Janus> | (I've turned them into normal functions now, so I don't confuse myself too much.) |
| 05:24 | <@Vornicus> | "normal functions"? |
| 05:25 | < Janus> | ... er, my mistake, I thought you meant the operator overloading thing. What's a mutable vector, anyhow..? |
| 05:25 | <@Vornicus> | A mutable object is an object with methods that change the object itself. |
| 05:26 | <@Vornicus> | an object with any setters or public members is mutable, for instance. |
| 05:26 | <@Vornicus> | There's a lot of places where this is desirable, but number-likes is not such a place. |
| 05:28 | < Janus> | So, all the members should be private, and the functions shouldn't alter what's inside itself..? |
| 05:28 | <@Vornicus> | Right. |
| 05:28 | < Janus> | But, how do you get values into something like that..? |
| 05:28 | <@Vornicus> | Every operation you can think of that works on vectors and returns a vector, should return a /new/ vector. |
| 05:28 | <@Vornicus> | constructors. |
| 05:31 | < Janus> | So, for instance, would it be alright to use include a method like "Point cross_product(Point p) const{...}" that returns a new Point object? |
| 05:31 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah. |
| 05:31 | <@Vornicus> | Working in C++? |
| 05:32 | < Janus> | Besides the public scope, it's already like that~ Yes'sum. |
| 05:32 | <@Vornicus> | Okay. |
| 05:33 | <@Vornicus> | ...oop, that's a bad one anyway, that was from before I learned how bad it could get. |
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| 05:33 | | * Vornicus was going to link you to his vector lib. |
| 05:35 | < Janus> | Haha, close call. |
| 05:35 | <@Vornicus> | (and so it had setters, and a mutating normalize() ) |
| 05:35 | | * Janus is curious now. |
| 05:36 | <@Vornicus> | well, okay. http://vorn.dyndns.org/~vorn/geodesation/src/vector3d.h |
| 05:36 | <@Vornicus> | and .cpp too |
| 05:37 | <@Vornicus> | (there is some scary crap in there - I know for certain my RST matrix constructor kills VC6) |
| 05:38 | < Reiver> | VC6? |
| 05:38 | <@Vornicus> | Microsoft Visual C++ 6 |
| 05:38 | <@Vornicus> | Old, old. |
| 05:40 | <@Vornicus> | I do quite a few things wrong here. |
| 05:42 | < Janus> | Three constructors. I kinda get the first one, but the other two mugged and left me in the middle of the woods. |
| 05:42 | <@Vornicus> | There's only two vector constructors. |
| 05:43 | < Janus> | This is the Matrix, I think. |
| 05:43 | <@Vornicus> | There's three matrix constructors; first gives you an identity matrix, the second is Rotate-Scale-Translate, and the third is raw numbers. |
| 05:43 | <@Vornicus> | This matrix implementation is crappy and very incomplete. |
| 05:44 | <@Vornicus> | As is the vector implementation. If you want a good one, see if you can corner Raif. |
| 05:45 | < Janus> | Oh! The third one isn't that bad afterall. It was probably just the number of parameters spooked me. 2 out of 3! |
| 05:46 | <@Vornicus> | Really that one should actually throw a pointer to an array around. |
| 05:49 | <@Vornicus> | The second is horrible because of all its default parameters |
| 05:50 | <@Vornicus> | Really the whole constructor is Matrix3D(const Vector3D& axis, const double angle, const Vector3D& scale, const Vector3D& translate). |
| 05:53 | <@Vornicus> | The innards are, well |
| 05:54 | <@Vornicus> | WRONG WRONG WRONG. |
| 05:54 | <@Vornicus> | Well, okay, they're just bad. |
| 05:54 | <@Vornicus> | They sorta work, but in the end that's not how you want to do it. |
| 05:54 | < Janus> | Doesn't the order that those things are done in matter, like rotating then translating, as opposed to translating then rotating? |
| 05:54 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah |
| 05:54 | <@Vornicus> | And the usual order you do things in is Rotate then Scale then Translate. |
| 05:55 | < Janus> | Ah, I see! There wouldn't be many situations where any other order would be useful. |
| 05:58 | <@Vornicus> | Well, there's lots of situations where you should do them in other orders, but generally that's the order you want. |
| 05:58 | <@Vornicus> | or, it's the most common order. |
| 06:03 | < Janus> | Well, besides the one long parameter list, and the <vector> things being thrown around (STL is scary), it looks pretty fine to me. |
| 06:04 | <@Vornicus> | Heh, I didn't even touch templating in there. |
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| 07:14 | <@Raif> | No corner raif. Raif use claws when cornered. |
| 07:17 | <@Raif> | rotate then scale? No... :) |
| 07:17 | <@Vornicus> | Then why is it always called RST? |
| 07:17 | <@Raif> | Because whoever thought it up is retarded? |
| 07:18 | <@Raif> | :) |
| 07:18 | <@Vornicus> | heh |
| 07:18 | <@Raif> | Think about it, imagine flattening the model. so scale (1, 1, 0), z being up. |
| 07:18 | <@Vornicus> | true, that |
| 07:18 | <@Vornicus> | --- I wonder what that looks like. |
| 07:19 | <@Raif> | Now if you rotate on the x axis and then scale by (1, 1, 0) you have a different shape. |
| 07:19 | | * Vornicus imagines you get some Wacktacular culling issues. |
| 07:19 | <@Raif> | Not really, no. |
| 07:19 | <@Vornicus> | huh. |
| 07:19 | <@Raif> | In fact, projecting onto a surface (which is what that is) is common in flat shadow projection. |
| 07:20 | <@Vornicus> | true |
| 07:20 | <@Raif> | Perpendicular surfaces may or may not get culled, but even if they don't they'll just render as an edge line, which you wouldn't normally notice. |
| 07:21 | <@Vornicus> | mmm |
| 07:21 | <@Vornicus> | you /need/ to turn on backface for it though, or you'll get some really weird stuff. |
| 07:21 | <@Raif> | One of my final projects for some class was shadow projection via a full rendering pipeline built throughout two semesters. |
| 07:21 | <@Raif> | It was spiffy. |
| 07:22 | <@Vornicus> | Cool. |
| 07:22 | <@Raif> | It was also slow as molasses, 'cause each pixel had to be transmitted over GDI. |
| 07:23 | <@Vornicus> | /sweet/ |
| 07:23 | <@Vornicus> | :P |
| 07:23 | <@Raif> | Yeah, we weren't even allowed to plot the pixels over D3D or OGL... too hard to verify that we weren't cheating. :) |
| 07:23 | <@Raif> | So the rule was that if we linked to those libraries our app got a 0. |
| 07:23 | <@Vornicus> | heh |
| 07:24 | <@Raif> | Good times. |
| 07:25 | <@Raif> | How's life treatin' ya? |
| 07:25 | <@Vornicus> | Eh. |
| 07:25 | <@Vornicus> | I can't find any empolyer in the universe willing to give me the time of day. |
| 07:28 | <@Raif> | Why not? |
| 07:28 | <@Vornicus> | I don't know. |
| 07:29 | <@Vornicus> | I mean, okay, I don't have a degree, but frankly with my experience you'd think I'd get /something/ |
| 07:38 | | * Raif ruminates over it and advices Vorn to move up to Seattle. :) |
| 07:38 | <@Raif> | Or SVC. |
| 07:38 | <@Raif> | I don't know of many tech companies in Utah. |
| 07:38 | <@Raif> | Perhaps the market is just tapped out? |
| 07:38 | <@Vornicus> | You mean, besides Novell? There's a lot. I've applied to 60 jobs just in the valley. |
| 07:39 | <@Vornicus> | Most of them are small. |
| 07:39 | <@Raif> | Yes, but how many people are you competing with? |
| 07:40 | <@Raif> | If the job market in your area is particularly employer-friendly right now, I can see why you wouldn't get callbacks. |
| 07:41 | <@Raif> | People with a bunch of experience would be dropping down to near-entry-level jobs. |
| 07:42 | <@Vornicus> | I don't know. This is supposed to be one of the hottest tech job markets in the country (CNN money ranks it 11th) |
| 07:42 | <@Vornicus> | Anyway right now I'm trying to write a goddamn cover letter, and it's Not Working. |
| 07:42 | <@Raif> | Has Chalain done his magic on your resume? |
| 07:43 | <@Vornicus> | Dude, I /never/ hear from Chalain. My father has, though. |
| 07:43 | <@Raif> | Weird. |
| 07:44 | <@Raif> | Toss it over and I'll tell you if I see anything obvious... I can't go much beyond the obvious though, since I've never hired anyone. :P |
| 07:45 | <@Vornicus> | All right. Here's the one with content - I still haven't styled it up, because it's not the one I end up giving to people (most insist on an actual document format): http://vorn.dyndns.org/~vorn/resume.html |
| 07:47 | <@Raif> | It doesn't list your degree under education. |
| 07:47 | <@Vornicus> | That would be dereferencing a null pointer. |
| 07:48 | <@Raif> | Kill the objective. The point of an objective, at least from everyone I've talked to about it, is to narrow down choices. When you send your resume out, but you only want jobs with X, then you write an objective. |
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| 07:48 | <@Raif> | Plus this one is really generic, which causes a sort of "yeah, whatever" response. |
| 07:49 | <@Raif> | I would replace your objective with a very brief (1-2 sentence) summary about what you are. |
| 07:49 | <@Vornicus> | okay. |
| 07:50 | <@Raif> | Out of curiosity, why no degree? |
| 07:51 | <@Raif> | The experience section gives details that I would save for an interview. |
| 07:51 | <@Vornicus> | I have no degree because I was thrown out for accusing a teacher of incompetence. |
| 07:51 | <@Raif> | ò.Ô |
| 07:52 | <@Vornicus> | -- she couldn't tell fact from fiction. |
| 07:52 | <@Raif> | Kudos. We circulated petitions about a couple of ours, but nobody got thrown out over it. |
| 07:52 | <@Raif> | (Sadly, that includes the teacher) |
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| 07:54 | <@Raif> | The resmark experience looks pretty good... |
| 07:55 | <@Raif> | What kinda positions are you applying for? |
| 07:55 | <@Raif> | One thing this resume gives me the impression of is that you're all over the map. |
| 07:56 | <@Raif> | Though your Resmark stuff points heavily to system administration... if you're applying for those jobs, you might want to tailor a copy of your resume specifically for that. |
| 07:56 | <@Vornicus> | Programmer, sysadmin, helpdesk... |
| 07:57 | <@Raif> | I suspect the lack of a listed degree is what's getting you shot down on a lot of these though... hrm... |
| 07:58 | <@Mahal> | Can Im ake a suggestion that's helped Nightrain no end? |
| 07:58 | <@Mahal> | (he has no qualifications, just experience) |
| 07:58 | <@Raif> | I don't really know how to get past that... it's really hard to get anyone to look at you with out a BA or BSc these days (IMO that's ridiculous, because a huge portion of really good tech people are self-taught, but ah well) |
| 07:58 | <@Mahal> | He's broken his CV into 'areas of expertise' |
| 07:58 | <@Mahal> | So: |
| 07:59 | <@Mahal> | programming - I can do xyz, abc, fgh, and olm (Coffee & Co, 1994, Topps and Buttoms, 1998) |
| 07:59 | <@Raif> | Ah, good idea. |
| 07:59 | <@Mahal> | administration (win2k server, linux, whatever) (business I did that for) |
| 07:59 | <@Mahal> | Then has a separate seciton of his actual job history |
| 07:59 | <@Vornicus> | My main problem is that I've only had one actual tech job. |
| 07:59 | <@Mahal> | Coffee & Co, 1994-1998 - x roles |
| 07:59 | <@Raif> | Not only a good workaround, but unique too... should stand out. |
| 08:00 | <@Mahal> | Vorn - fudge it ;) |
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| 08:00 | <@Raif> | Indeed on fudge. |
| 08:00 | <@Mahal> | Raif: it's gotten him almost every interview he's tried for. |
| 08:00 | <@Raif> | Volunteer positions count. |
| 08:00 | | * Mahal nods at Vorn. |
| 08:00 | <@Raif> | My resume was entirely student work and volunteer stuff. |
| 08:00 | <@Vornicus> | I don't have any volunteer positions either. Not that I can point to anyway. |
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| 08:00 | <@Raif> | Shinyd is probably the biggest factor in my hiring, I think. |
| 08:00 | <@Raif> | And that's not even done. |
| 08:02 | | * Mahal politely asked for Vorn's resume link again. |
| 08:02 | <@Mahal> | *asks |
| 08:02 | <@Vornicus> | http://vorn.dyndns.org/~vorn/resume.html |
| 08:03 | <@Mahal> | Yeah |
| 08:03 | <@Mahal> | Alongside where you have experinc, list the company you did it for. |
| 08:03 | <@Vornicus> | I am not a company. |
| 08:03 | <@Raif> | Vorn, can you do DDC? |
| 08:03 | <@Mahal> | I mean, if it was for Resmark, list that. |
| 08:03 | <@Raif> | So list it as "Volunteer" |
| 08:03 | <@Vornicus> | I don't know what DDC is. |
| 08:03 | <@Raif> | DCC rather. |
| 08:04 | <@Vornicus> | Yes, I can dcc. |
| 08:04 | <@Raif> | File transfer. |
| 08:04 | <@Mahal> | If you were doing it just "because" then list it as "private project", or something like that. |
| 08:04 | <@Raif> | I'll send you my resume. |
| 08:04 | <@Vornicus> | ok |
| 08:05 | <@Mahal> | Also, up till I had a couple of post-uni jobs on my CV, I was still listing my high school qualifications |
| 08:05 | <@Vornicus> | ...I had a 1.8 GPA in high school. |
| 08:05 | <@Raif> | Holy shit, don't list that. :) |
| 08:06 | <@Raif> | Though you'll probably never be asked anyway. |
| 08:06 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah, I won't. |
| 08:06 | <@Mahal> | Ah, fair enough. |
| 08:06 | <@Raif> | Ok, I'm not sure if this is the updated one or not, but here goes. |
| 08:07 | <@Vornicus> | Looks up to date. |
| 08:08 | <@Mahal> | Vorn: can I make another suggestion, then? |
| 08:08 | <@Raif> | So, the way I've done it is basically list all my relevant skills (you should follow Mahal's advice instead of doing this), but the experience section seems to work well too. |
| 08:08 | <@Mahal> | Put together broader categories in your experience section |
| 08:09 | <@Mahal> | Don't break it down so much. |
| 08:09 | <@Mahal> | "Systems administration" |
| 08:09 | <@Mahal> | "design and development" |
| 08:09 | <@Mahal> | "user support" |
| 08:09 | <@Mahal> | then have a separate listing of your skillset |
| 08:10 | | * Mahal has a vague recollection of Nighrain sending you his - that's how he does it |
| 08:10 | <@Mahal> | "I can ues this" |
| 08:10 | <@Mahal> | "in jobs I've done this" |
| 08:10 | <@Mahal> | it makes it longer and also easier to read |
| 08:10 | <@Mahal> | easier to read in that it's "this is what I can do" "this is the experience which proves it" |
| 08:11 | <@Vornicus> | I don't see NR's in h... oh, that's because it's still attached to the email, instead of in my downloads folder. |
| 08:11 | <@Mahal> | heh |
| 08:11 | <@Mahal> | If you read between the lines of his, he had an indifferent education but a lot of various on-the-job stuff. |
| 08:12 | <@Raif> | It should also make you look a lot more focused too... so rather than a bunch of skills it'll break it down into 2 or 3. |
| 08:12 | <@Mahal> | but most folks don't look at that. |
| 08:12 | | * Mahal nods at Raif. |
| 08:12 | <@Mahal> | that's what I was thinking. |
| 08:12 | <@Vornicus> | I couldn't figure out how to do that. |
| 08:12 | <@Mahal> | Vorn: want me to have a go? |
| 08:12 | | * Mahal erms |
| 08:12 | | * Mahal is a trained HR monkey, amongst other things. |
| 08:12 | | * Mahal just keeps that bit under her hat most of the time. |
| 08:12 | <@Raif> | This reminds me how much I hated writing my own. :P |
| 08:13 | | * Mahal did most of the NR cv-cleanup and all the coverletter-creation |
| 08:13 | <@Raif> | AH, HR! KILLIT KILLIT KILLIT! |
| 08:13 | <@Mahal> | Also, cover letters go a LONG LONG way to getting you noticed. |
| 08:13 | <@Mahal> | At least, they do here. |
| 08:13 | <@Mahal> | Stateside might be different. |
| 08:13 | <@Raif> | I've heard that. |
| 08:13 | <@Raif> | Up here, nobody gives a shit about cover letters, it seems. |
| 08:13 | <@Mahal> | OK. |
| 08:14 | <@Raif> | In vorn's area it may be different, I'm just going off my somewhat limited experience. |
| 08:14 | <@Mahal> | Another difference is that we just don't have objectives in Vs. |
| 08:14 | <@Mahal> | CVs. |
| 08:14 | <@Mahal> | It's kinda taken as a given that your objective is to get the job you just applied for. |
| 08:14 | <@Mahal> | Thus, stating one is a bit of a ... well, duh? |
| 08:14 | <@Raif> | Yeah, we covered that. :) |
| 08:14 | | * Mahal didn't see that. |
| 08:14 | <@Raif> | [23:48:12] <Raif> Kill the objective. The point of an objective, at least from everyone I've talked to about it, is to narrow down choices. When you send your resume out, but you only want jobs with X, then you write an objective. |
| 08:14 | <@Raif> | [23:48:35] * Mahal has quit IRC (Quit: reboot) |
| 08:14 | <@Raif> | [23:48:46] <Raif> Plus this one is really generic, which causes a sort of "yeah, whatever" response. |
| 08:14 | <@Raif> | [23:49:23] <Raif> I would replace your objective with a very brief (1-2 sentence) summary about what you are. |
| 08:15 | <@Mahal> | Ah, right. |
| 08:15 | <@Mahal> | Yes. |
| 08:15 | <@Raif> | You were rebooting, as you can see. :) |
| 08:15 | | * Mahal agrees. |
| 08:15 | <@Mahal> | (Objective seems to fill the place of our coverletters...) |
| 08:15 | <@Raif> | Ah... |
| 08:15 | <@Raif> | Our cover letters are basically intended to prove that you actually did a little research on the company and aren't using the shotgun approach. |
| 08:15 | | * Mahal nods. |
| 08:16 | | * Mahal pokes Vorn. Did NR send you his standard cover letter too? |
| 08:16 | <@Mahal> | That might give you some objectives ideas. |
| 08:16 | <@Vornicus> | No. |
| 08:16 | <@Raif> | Standard cover letter? |
| 08:16 | <@Mahal> | (seeing as it's ... kinda similar as I can see.) |
| 08:16 | <@Raif> | How does that work? |
| 08:17 | <@Mahal> | Raif: we have a template, and added in $companydetails as nedessary. |
| 08:17 | <@Mahal> | It worked really well. |
| 08:17 | <@Raif> | Ah, ok. Yeah, I can see that being a good thing. |
| 08:17 | <@Mahal> | It's surprisingly similar to the one I used whilst job hunting, I can't imagine why... |
| 08:17 | <@Raif> | So you template the really hard BS filler stuff and then throw in the good stuff in between. :P |
| 08:17 | <@Mahal> | uyes :) |
| 08:17 | <@Mahal> | I note here that NZ is in desperate need of qualified IT staff. |
| 08:17 | <@Mahal> | I have gone approximately 3 weeks between jobs, max. |
| 08:18 | <@Mahal> | (qualified also = experienced) |
| 08:18 | <@Mahal> | NR has gone a little longer, due to visa limitations, but putting those aside, I'll be surprised if he is without a job for a month or longer once he's resident. |
| 08:18 | <@Vornicus> | I do need to write a cover letter, I've got two jobs I'm applying to at at the same company as soon as I finish figuing out what the hell I want my cover letter to say. |
| 08:19 | <@Mahal> | Vorn: can I send you NR's? |
| 08:19 | <@Vornicus> | And, as of today, I've hit 4 1/2 months for this one. |
| 08:19 | <@Mahal> | I can't find mine. |
| 08:19 | <@Vornicus> | Yes, please. |
| 08:19 | <@Mahal> | but it'll give you an example. |
| 08:19 | <@Mahal> | DCC or email? |
| 08:19 | <@Vornicus> | (and before Resmark it was 10 months) |
| 08:19 | <@Vornicus> | DCC |
| 08:19 | <@Mahal> | Sending. |
| 08:21 | <@Raif> | Well, I've gotta go spontaneously burst into song and perhaps streetdance, so I'll leave you two at it. |
| 08:21 | <@Raif> | Lemme know if you need a readthrough later. |
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| 11:24 | | mode/#code [+o Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 11:30 | | Mahal is now known as Mahalbed |
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| 12:38 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[afk] |
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| 15:20 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
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| 22:28 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 22:28 | <@gnolam> | http://zoo.nightstar.net/viewtopic.php?p=317573#317573 |
| 22:28 | | * gnolam chuckles. |
| 22:32 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 22:44 | | * Yahir laughs. |
| 22:47 | <@Yahir> | I find this funny, yet I don't see why this would be wrong of the guy. |
| 23:58 | | Yahir is now known as AnnoDomini |
| --- Log closed Sun May 06 00:00:03 2007 |