| --- Log opened Mon Apr 30 00:00:03 2007 |
| 00:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | RAID6 is cooler. |
| 00:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Being based upon a generalization of the equations that govern RAID5 to any amount of parity, then degeneralized to 2-parity. |
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| 00:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | A RAIDn that supports any number of parity disks would be even cooler, though. |
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| 00:28 | <@Serah> | This bøx is becoming increasingly arcane. |
| 00:28 | <@Serah> | Even to me. |
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| 01:10 | | * Raif casts it. |
| 01:11 | <@Vornicus> | to what? |
| 01:11 | <@Raif> | void*, bitch. |
| 01:12 | <@Vornicus> | nuuuu |
| 01:12 | <@Raif> | As with all design problems, void* makes it all better. |
| 01:12 | <@Vornicus> | :( |
| 01:12 | <@Vornicus> | Is this more wisdom from the WinOffice team or something? |
| 01:12 | | * Raif laughs much like Big D in Legend. |
| 01:12 | <@Raif> | Actually, no... we don't cast much of anything to void*. |
| 01:13 | <@Raif> | We will however cast a BYTE* to just about any structure you can imagine. |
| 01:13 | <@Vornicus> | :( |
| 01:14 | <@Raif> | Actually, that's pretty elegant, considering how many structures there are and how horrible "foo.a = GetWord(rgb); foo.b = GetByte(rgb); ..." would be. |
| 01:15 | <@Raif> | Most of that shit is in either file save or file read. |
| 01:15 | <@Vornicus> | Well, okay, but I still think a thing like Python's struct would be nicer - and less Endian-madness-ing |
| 01:15 | <@Raif> | The stuff that isn't is what you must fear, grasshopper. |
| 01:16 | <@Raif> | I found a fun bug the other day... we have two structs, STRUN and STRUNO (O being a suffix for 'old' meaning Excel95 or earlier) |
| 01:16 | <@Vornicus> | Subtly different? |
| 01:16 | <@Raif> | We were casting a BYTE* to a STRUN*, which is a header (same size on both structs) and then an array of pairs. |
| 01:17 | <@Raif> | In the new the pairs are 4 bytes (two words). The old are 2 bytes. |
| 01:17 | <@Raif> | Guess what the bug was? :) |
| 01:17 | <@Raif> | Yeah, we shipped with that in 11, btw. :) |
| 01:17 | <@Raif> | Excel 95, as a file format, should die ANYWAY, but backcompat is king, unfortunately. |
| 01:19 | <@Vornicus> | It was supposed to be reading strunos? something else was reading struns as strunos? |
| 01:20 | <@Raif> | Bingo. The bug was on loading an Excel 95 file, and we exploded most spectacularly. |
| 01:20 | <@Vornicus> | ah so |
| 01:21 | <@Raif> | Because the struct looked something like "struct STRUNO { <member variables>; PAIR_THINGO[]; };" |
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| 01:22 | <@Raif> | Also, god help us, I am the Biff8 and prior expert now for the mac, it seems. |
| 01:23 | <@Vornicus> | Biff8? |
| 01:23 | <@Raif> | (Biff8 == Excel11 and prior. The format first surfaced in Excel8) |
| 01:24 | <@Vornicus> | I thought it was new and improved Usenet lamer |
| 01:24 | <@Raif> | Haha |
| 01:24 | <@Raif> | Naw, it's the 8th incarnation of Biff from Back to the Future. |
| 01:25 | <@Raif> | Anyway, I mention this just to put the fear into you... 'cause you're probably one of our users. :P |
| 01:26 | <@Vornicus> | I'm still on the original MS Office X. |
| 01:26 | <@Raif> | Being that I don't know shit (being relatively new to the team) it's kinda scary when I go to look for help on the file format and ask who I should talk to, and everybody goes "uhh... we just send all this stuff to you.") |
| 01:28 | <@Vornicus> | Which I think was 9. Copyright says 2001, version says "v.X", and I should probably see if there's any service packs. |
| 01:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | God forbid the file formats be clearly documented anywhere~ |
| 01:28 | <@Raif> | Office X was 10. |
| 01:28 | <@Vornicus> | There's also 2004. |
| 01:28 | <@Raif> | Frog: Yeah, google has better documentation on some of our products than we do. :P |
| 01:28 | <@Vornicus> | Which I think was based on 2003, which I thought was 10. |
| 01:28 | <@Raif> | 2004 is 11. |
| 01:29 | <@Raif> | 2008 is 12. |
| 01:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | (as for struct() - man, I don't even want to think about implementing that in C) |
| 01:29 | <@Vornicus> | Ah, ok, so Office for Mac is on a higher number than, yeah |
| 01:29 | <@Vornicus> | okay. |
| 01:29 | <@Raif> | 2003 is the windows version of Mac OFfice 2004. |
| 01:29 | <@Vornicus> | TF: it's a ... function, you send it pointers to the right things. |
| 01:29 | <@Raif> | We add a year to our release dates, because the usual cycle is off by 6-8 months. |
| 01:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: exactly. |
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| 01:31 | <@Vornicus> | Raif: I m... wait, Winoffice 2007 is Office 12. Why did I think it was 11? |
| 01:31 | <@Raif> | 'cause you're crazy. |
| 01:32 | <@Raif> | But the really fun thing is that WinOffice is jumping Office13 entirely and the next version will be Office14. |
| 01:32 | <@Raif> | That shit irritates me. |
| 01:32 | <@Vornicus> | Why? |
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| 01:32 | <@Raif> | 13. |
| 01:32 | | * Vornicus throws things at them for being tards |
| 01:32 | <@Raif> | Triskadecaphobia, I believe the term is. |
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| 06:16 | <@Mahal> | Help |
| 06:16 | <@Mahal> | HTML for superscript please |
| 06:17 | <@Vornicus> | sup |
| 06:17 | <@Vornicus> | subscript is sub. |
| 06:18 | <@Mahal> | danke |
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| 09:06 | <@McMartin> | Hmm. New version of I7 is out. |
| 09:06 | <@McMartin> | I think I'm at the point where I'm not going to upgrade until WSIF is done. |
| 09:20 | <@McMartin> | "This build once again fixes all bugs reported up to 22 April, but in fact few were found in 4S08; and it removes a hole in the type-checking system, to do with phrases to make decisions, but this will have affected few users. The main aim is an across-the-board reform of how actions are handled and implemented in Inform." |
| 09:23 | < Reiver> | ...Yeah, possibly best to leave it alone. |
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| --- Log closed Tue May 01 00:00:03 2007 |