| --- Log opened Thu Nov 16 00:00:04 2006 |
| --- Day changed Thu Nov 16 2006 |
| 00:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...why restrict it to 3? |
| 00:00 | <@Chalcedon> | that was my question |
| 00:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | It seems nonsensical to do so. |
| 00:00 | <@Chalcedon> | well, you've answered my question at anyrate. |
| 00:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | And what was the other one? |
| 00:01 | <@Chalcedon> | that was it |
| 00:01 | <@Vornicus> | ...okay, how do I get ssha hashes? |
| 00:01 | | * Chalcedon hug TF |
| 00:01 | <@Chalcedon> | did you get the email ok? |
| 00:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | No clue, Vorn. |
| 00:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Actually, wait, clue. |
| 00:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | ssh-agent? |
| 00:02 | | mode/#code [+o MyCatOwnz] by Chalcedon |
| 00:02 | | * Chalcedon thwap brain |
| 00:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | Chalcedon: yes. And it does error. Examining it now. |
| 00:03 | | * Chalcedon nods |
| 00:04 | | ReivZzz is now known as Reiver |
| 00:04 | <@Vornicus> | ...I think I have it. Maybe. |
| 00:04 | <@Vornicus> | Oh it hurts. |
| 00:04 | | * Chalcedon supply cookies? |
| 00:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Found the problem. |
| 00:05 | <@Vornicus> | ...Oh, yes, it hurts indeed. |
| 00:05 | <@Vornicus> | so there's this utility called slappasswd |
| 00:06 | <@Vornicus> | It produces a password of the form \{SSHA\}[a-zA-Z0-9]{32} |
| 00:06 | <@Vornicus> | That's 38 characters |
| 00:06 | <@Vornicus> | Which happens to be, when taken and base64'd (because otherwise it has 'special' characters in it), 50 2/3 characters long. |
| 00:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Chalcedon: new versions of the scripts uploaded. |
| 00:07 | | * Chalcedon nods |
| 00:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | The new bash script fixes the issue you were seeing, and the new postscript script fixes a problem with Y-axis labels. |
| 00:11 | <@Chalcedon> | yay it works |
| 00:11 | <@Chalcedon> | although it doesn't like my colours |
| 00:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh? |
| 00:12 | <@Chalcedon> | it came up with green yellow and red, and white instead of grey |
| 00:12 | <@Chalcedon> | it was supposed to have dark green, medium green, light green, yellow, orange, red, dark red |
| 00:12 | <@Chalcedon> | (grey) |
| 00:13 | | * Vornicus eyes |
| 00:13 | <@Vornicus> | ...oh, ha, ha. |
| 00:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh, I think I know why. |
| 00:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's generating png256, which is 256-color. Oops. |
| 00:13 | <@Chalcedon> | also, there's a line between each row and column, but not between 40/41 and Sept/Oct 76 |
| 00:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | One moment while I experiment. |
| 00:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...the missing lines are an artefact of whatever you're viewing them with, I think, they're present on mine. |
| 00:14 | <@Chalcedon> | ah yes, they disappear when I zoom in |
| 00:14 | <@MyCatOwnz> | Out of curiosity, what program are you two discussing? |
| 00:15 | <@Vornicus> | That's why it doesn't have the base64 code letters representing 62 and 63, it doesn't have any bytes that would /do/ that. |
| 00:15 | <@MyCatOwnz> | Printing some form of statistical table into PostScript or something? Viewing with gv/ggv? |
| 00:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | The table is in csv format. |
| 00:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | I have written a hybrid bash/postscript script that renders it into PNG. |
| 00:16 | <@Vornicus> | Nothing in the upper half of extended ASCII, no ?, no ~, no \x7f |
| 00:17 | <@Chalcedon> | I don't have an issue with 256 colours TF, I just need to know which ones I can use, currently I can only find hexadecimal |
| 00:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, thing is, I don't know which ones you can use. |
| 00:20 | <@Chalcedon> | websafe colours? |
| 00:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | Maybe, but I really don't know! |
| 00:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | Whatever colors the "png256" output driver of Ghostscript supports. |
| 00:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | But I have no idea what colors those are. |
| 00:22 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:22 | <@Chalcedon> | :s |
| 00:22 | <@Chalcedon> | night TW |
| 00:22 | | * Chalcedon hug TF |
| 00:22 | <@Chalcedon> | you've really been a ginormous help |
| 00:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. Even when generating JPEGs, it doesn't seem to be using the full color range... |
| 00:24 | | * Chalcedon eyes it |
| 00:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...and, for that matter, when using X11 output. |
| 00:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, maybe it's not the output driver o.O |
| 00:24 | <@Chalcedon> | it only seems to be using green, red and white (and presumably blue and black too) |
| 00:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | You /are/ editing the colors in the .ps and not the .bash, yes? |
| 00:25 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 00:25 | <@Chalcedon> | yes |
| 00:25 | | * ToxicFrog gets it to generate a kind of nauseating purple |
| 00:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
| 00:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, it seems that all color values from [ 1 0 0 ] to [ 255 0 0 ] generate bright red. |
| 00:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | That shouldn't be happening. |
| 00:30 | | * Chalcedon eyes |
| 00:30 | <@Chalcedon> | no |
| 00:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | That's not happening to you? |
| 00:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...oh, hey, sudden idea. |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm an idiot. |
| 00:32 | <@Chalcedon> | yes it is happening to me, but as you say [1 0 0] and [255 0 0] are different. |
| 00:32 | <@Chalcedon> | no, you're human |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | Colors aren't { n | 0 <= n <= 255 ^ n e Z } |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's { n | 0 <= n <= 1 ^ n e R } |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | Neutral grey is [ 0.5 0.5 0.5 ] |
| 00:33 | <@Chalcedon> | colours are between 0 and 1? instead of 0 and 255? |
| 00:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
| 00:33 | <@Chalcedon> | I have not met this before |
| 00:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Although I could write it so that it translates values >1 into the corresponding 0..1 range. |
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| 00:34 | <@Chalcedon> | meh |
| 00:34 | <@Chalcedon> | I'll figure it out |
| 00:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | No, I think I have it. And it'll work automatically for either scheme, too! |
| 00:36 | <@Chalcedon> | yay that works |
| 00:36 | | * Chalcedon thwap self |
| 00:36 | <@Chalcedon> | I just realised I was running my data the wrong way around |
| 00:38 | <@Chalcedon> | will it cope with spaces in the file name? |
| 00:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Should do. |
| 00:39 | <@Chalcedon> | oops |
| 00:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | You'll need to quote it when invoking it, though: |
| 00:40 | | * Chalcedon nods |
| 00:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | $ ./stoatburgers.bash "file with spaces.csv" |
| 00:40 | <@Chalcedon> | it doesn't like dates on the x axis |
| 00:40 | <@Chalcedon> | it prints numbers |
| 00:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | I did say that the X-axis stuff was presently hardcoded. |
| 00:40 | <@Chalcedon> | ah |
| 00:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | I didn't know that it needed to support labels as well. |
| 00:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | (since support for such is marginally more complex than Y-axis) |
| 00:41 | <@Chalcedon> | how so? |
| 00:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | With Y, it just reads the label when it starts reading the line and displays it. |
| 00:41 | | * Stephenie coughs "order" |
| 00:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | When X, it needs to read all the labels in one go and then remember them. |
| 00:42 | | * Chalcedon nods |
| 00:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways! Will sort this out when I return from procuring food. |
| 00:42 | <@Chalcedon> | I remember having this issue with distributions.py |
| 00:42 | | * Chalcedon hug TF |
| 00:43 | <@Chalcedon> | you know with the addition of x axis date labels and a key this is better than what I've currently got |
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| 00:50 | | * Chalcedon hmmm |
| 00:50 | <@Chalcedon> | and axis labels |
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| 00:57 | | * Chalcy argh, beats her net |
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| 00:57 | | mode/#code [+o Thaqui] by Chalcedon |
| 01:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Chalcedon: ok, so the X-axis labels will be in the first line? |
| 01:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | And what should the axes themselves be called? |
| 01:27 | | * Chalcedon checks |
| 01:28 | <@Chalcedon> | yes |
| 01:28 | <@Chalcedon> | and x: date, y: trap site |
| 01:28 | <@Chalcedon> | or hmm |
| 01:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...so the X axis is now the date and the Y axis the trap site? |
| 01:29 | <@Chalcedon> | x: time y: trap number |
| 01:29 | <@Chalcedon> | yes. |
| 01:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | You know, if you just want to flip the axes, that's much easier than changing the program to read labels from the first line. |
| 01:29 | <@Chalcedon> | It was all along, but I probably didn't express it correctly |
| 01:30 | <@Chalcedon> | so, read as is but put in the other way around? |
| 01:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah. It would read the files as they are currently formatted, except it would take rows to be X and cols to be Y rather than vice versa. |
| 01:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | This means we can stick with hard-coded trap numbers, meaning no need to parse the first line of the CSV, and the dates will show up on the X axis and the trap numbers on the Y axis. |
| 01:31 | <@Chalcedon> | that sounds like a much better idea in that case |
| 01:32 | | * ToxicFrog takes a moment to think about how this affects his variable names |
| 01:35 | | * ToxicFrog also takes a moment to replace {}loop with the more readable and efficient {}for |
| 01:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | <ToxicFrog> Time to deploy gdb? |
| 01:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | <cs30xab> No need, I handled it myself without the need for that suit of power armor. |
| 01:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | <ToxicFrog> ...I like the vision of GDB as power armour, especially since we can apply the phrase "bug hunt" |
| 01:37 | | * Chalcedon cackle |
| 01:38 | <@Vornicus> | hee |
| 01:39 | | * McMartin shoulders a few nukes |
| 01:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm a 30-second bomb! |
| 01:41 | | * Chalcedon hides under the bed |
| 01:44 | <@Reiver> | 30-second bomb? |
| 01:45 | <@McMartin> | TF and I both refer to the opening of the book "Starship Troopers" |
| 01:46 | <@Vornicus> | quitting time |
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| 02:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Chalcedon: what orientation do you want the X axis labels to be in? |
| 02:03 | <@Chalcedon> | uh |
| 02:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | That is to say, should the viewer have to rotate the page clockwise or counterclockwise to bring them upright? |
| 02:03 | <@Chalcedon> | currently it is clock, isn't it? counterclockwise would be better. Either way the opposite to now. |
| 02:04 | <@Chalcedon> | I don't know why I like them that way... |
| 02:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because it means you read it from the top down rather than the bottom up once it's turned. |
| 02:05 | <@Chalcedon> | ...yes] |
| 02:05 | <@Chalcedon> | thank you |
| 02:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, now I just need to add per-axis labels and it's done. |
| 02:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh, and as a side effect of these changes it's now much, much faster. |
| 02:07 | <@Chalcedon> | ooh shiny |
| 02:08 | | * Chalcedon hugs TF |
| 02:08 | | * ToxicFrog purrs |
| 02:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Will it need to support more than 99 trap sites? |
| 02:12 | <@Chalcedon> | no, max is I think 52 |
| 02:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Sweet. |
| 02:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | "Trap Number", "Trap #" or "Trap"? |
| 02:13 | <@Chalcedon> | the first one |
| 02:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | http://www.funkyhorror.net/toxicfrog/StoatsSFE.png |
| 02:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | What think you? |
| 02:17 | <@Chalcedon> | not found...probably because it's classified |
| 02:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | http://www.funkyhorror.net/toxicfrog/projects/StoatsSFE.png |
| 02:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Refresh for a new version with different colors. |
| 02:18 | <@McMartin> | What is this a map of? |
| 02:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Rodent captures, location vs time |
| 02:18 | <@Chalcedon> | captures of stoats in a beech forest in Fiordland (NZ) |
| 02:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's a three-dimensional graph mapping Z into a color table rather than a physical axis. |
| 02:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Chalcedon: what do you think? |
| 02:20 | <@Chalcedon> | is good, one query though. Why do the axis labels have big lines next to them? |
| 02:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because I felt like it. Are they not good? |
| 02:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | I thought they'd more clearly draw the eye from the label to the corresponding axis. |
| 02:22 | | * McMartin builds a 6 MB Jar File Of Doooooom |
| 02:22 | | * Chalcedon nods |
| 02:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Is that a "they aren't good, please remove them" nod, or a "they're good, leave them in" nod? |
| 02:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | ("We tossed Mahoney out the window like you gestured, sir!" "Oops.") |
| 02:23 | <@Chalcedon> | its an I see what you were thinking nod |
| 02:23 | <@Chalcedon> | I'm just trying to think in the context of traditional graph labeling |
| 02:23 | <@Chalcedon> | I take it putting the labels in the middle of anything is difficult? |
| 02:23 | <@Chalcedon> | What about the other end of the axis? |
| 02:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. For trap number it's easily doable. For time I'll have to make the graph a bit higher or it interferes with the actual labels. Easily done. |
| 02:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | (as far as putting them in the middle goes) |
| 02:25 | <@Chalcedon> | that and the title as well would be the ideal |
| 02:25 | | * ToxicFrog changes "100 100 translate" to "100 132 translate" and updates one line in the bash script and bam, I have another 32px of vertical space. |
| 02:25 | <@Chalcedon> | I don't know why we do it like that, we just do... |
| 02:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | And it all just works. |
| 02:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | <3 translate and rotate. |
| 02:25 | <@Chalcedon> | :) |
| 02:26 | <@Chalcedon> | it's like the figure labels when you insert them into a report, figure always goes below and table always goes on top |
| 02:26 | | * Chalcedon has no idea why |
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| 02:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Alright, refresh and tell me what you think. |
| 02:31 | | mode/#code [+o cs30xab] by ToxicFrog |
| 02:31 | <@Chalcedon> | shiny |
| 02:31 | <@Chalcedon> | can the title move to the middle too? |
| 02:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Whoops, forgot that. |
| 02:32 | <@cs30xab> | Hi. Whatcha looking at? |
| 02:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | Postscript. |
| 02:34 | <@Chalcedon> | TF is drawing a graph for me :) |
| 02:34 | | * ToxicFrog is writing a bash/postscript hybrid to generate graphs of rodent capture statistics. |
| 02:34 | <@cs30xab> | Not bad. I'm just finishing up some commenting and readmes in the next... five hours and twenty minutes until an assignment worth 10 percent of my grade is due. |
| 02:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...oh, hey. Stringwidth. |
| 02:34 | | * Chalcedon supplies cookies |
| 02:34 | <@cs30xab> | It's one of those assignments that was out for three weeks, and I started it this morning. |
| 02:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Y helo that left- and center-justified text. |
| 02:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Wish I'd known about this function four years ago! |
| 02:36 | <@Chalcedon> | ....thats getting to be quite a common statement |
| 02:36 | | * McMartin eyes his analysis system |
| 02:36 | <@McMartin> | Well, well |
| 02:36 | <@McMartin> | I think I'll have to email the maintainer of this and ask him what revision is the last stable one. |
| 02:36 | <@McMartin> | Since I"m getting different answers. |
| 02:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | ... |
| 02:37 | <@McMartin> | Depending on whether not I use the native libraries or not. |
| 02:37 | <@McMartin> | Entertainingly, the native libraries actually give answers, and the other ones just don't~ |
| 02:37 | <@McMartin> | Not counting the fact that when I ran SVN latest unmodified, I crashed for this reason: |
| 02:38 | <@McMartin> | boolean ZDD = true; |
| 02:38 | <@McMartin> | (10,000 lines of code, none of which modify ZDD) |
| 02:38 | <@McMartin> | _assert (!ZDD); |
| 02:38 | <@Chalcedon> | o.O |
| 02:39 | <@McMartin> | However! |
| 02:39 | <@McMartin> | If we ignore that unfortunate little situation... |
| 02:39 | <@McMartin> | I have a mostly-working version of the static-analysis section of my research prototype. |
| 02:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: umm. |
| 02:39 | <@McMartin> | I'm just missing the compelling brief example. |
| 02:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | /shouldn't/ that crash? |
| 02:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | I mean, you're calling _assert(!true) |
| 02:40 | <@McMartin> | Yes |
| 02:40 | <@McMartin> | The code, as committed, will always assert false when run. |
| 02:40 | <@McMartin> | This is unpleasant seeing as how it's the core library for the whole system |
| 02:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh. That's his code, not yours? |
| 02:40 | <@McMartin> | Yes. |
| 02:40 | <@McMartin> | Both of them. |
| 02:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ooooops. |
| 02:41 | <@McMartin> | I suspect he is doing this becuase, when run by flipping ZDD to false, it produces wrong answers. |
| 02:43 | <@McMartin> | Aha! |
| 02:44 | <@Chalcedon> | biab |
| 02:44 | | Chalcedon is now known as ChalcyAFK |
| 02:44 | | * ToxicFrog gets right-justified text working |
| 02:44 | | * McMartin finds the revision number he probably wants. |
| 02:45 | <@cs30xab> | I hate assignment-required comments. After a while, they all tend to blur together. I just spent the last 15 minutes commenting printLottoScores with comments appropriate for updateLottoScores. |
| 02:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is why, in principle, it's better to comment as you write. |
| 02:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | (in practice I always forget this three functions in) |
| 02:46 | <@cs30xab> | (in practice I'm looking at my watch, which is even now counting down from 5:11:32, and figuring I'll have time to comment later, which I always do.) |
| 02:47 | <@Janus> | (in practice I always make sure my comments look pretty with plenty of ANCII decorations before I finish them.) |
| 02:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | (ASCII) |
| 02:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | (ANSI is something different.) |
| 02:48 | <@cs30xab> | (I've always heard ASCII. ANCII new?) |
| 02:48 | <@Janus> | It sounds better at anyrate. |
| 02:48 | <@cs30xab> | (Or I could just show myself to be a total idiot) |
| 02:49 | <@Janus> | (Things that are urgent are marked with four inches of exclamation points, so their easier to avoid.) |
| 02:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | ChalcyAFK: when you get back, new versions of everything uploaded. |
| 02:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | cs30xab: this is what I'm generating: http://www.funkyhorror.net/toxicfrog/projects/StoatsSFE.png |
| 02:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | The code that generates it is in the same directory as stoatburgers.bash (configuration, analysis & preprocessing) and stoatburgers.ps (rendering) |
| 02:51 | <@cs30xab> | Sweet. |
| 02:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | I do like to think so~ |
| 02:55 | <@cs30xab> | Ackpth! |
| 02:57 | <@cs30xab> | Sorry. Just a drink-related convulsion. |
| 02:58 | | * Janus relates, goes to warsh in retaliation. |
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| 03:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | "I still don't know why you moved [out of the city]." "The fans, Royce. They held me down in Bank Street once and tried to steal my gizzard." |
| 03:01 | | * ChalcyAFK is back |
| 03:01 | | ChalcyAFK is now known as Chalcedon |
| 03:04 | | * McMartin reverts a bunch of stuff to mid-June. |
| 03:04 | <@Chalcedon> | thats excellent TF |
| 03:04 | <@McMartin> | I did some face-stabbing at SVN two days ago, but now I love it forever. |
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| 03:04 | <@McMartin> | "Please revert to revision #2,468." "Sure thing!" |
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| 03:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...there are version control systems where such an action is not trivial? |
| 03:05 | <@McMartin> | CVS. |
| 03:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 03:05 | | * ToxicFrog has only used Subversion and Perforce. |
| 03:05 | <@McMartin> | As far as CVS is concerned, every file is essentially its own repository. |
| 03:06 | <@McMartin> | You can revert a file to a specific version easily |
| 03:06 | <@McMartin> | But if you want to revert the whole repository, you'd better know exactly when, realtime. |
| 03:06 | <@McMartin> | There's no way to, say, get the revision history of "trunk." and look for the commit that broke the leeg out of everything. |
| 03:06 | <@McMartin> | And then check out the revision before that. |
| 03:08 | | * Chalcedon pondersate how to set TF and Vorn up with a lifetime supply of cookies |
| 03:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
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| 03:18 | | * Vornicus wonders what he did to deserve infinite cookie. |
| 03:18 | <@Chalcedon> | programming |
| 03:18 | <@Chalcedon> | it's a while ago now |
| 03:18 | <@Vornicus> | ah, well |
| 03:19 | | * Vornicus steals TF's gizzard. |
| 03:20 | <@Chalcedon> | ... |
| 03:20 | | * Stephenie blinks |
| 03:21 | <@Stephenie> | Vorn no stealing lol give it back or i'll take your bling again :P |
| 03:21 | | * cs30xab steals Vorn's gizzard, gives it to TF |
| 03:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | My gizzard! |
| 03:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Chalcedon: so. This version is good? |
| 03:27 | <@Chalcedon> | yes |
| 03:27 | <@Chalcedon> | this is excellent TF |
| 03:45 | <@Reiver> | Who is cs30xab? |
| 03:45 | | * Reiver pokes curiously. |
| 03:46 | <@cs30xab> | Someone who can't be arsed to change his nick from his lab logon? |
| 03:46 | <@cs30xab> | OR CAN I? |
| 03:46 | <@cs30xab> | ... okay, fine. I just censored the first letter. |
| 03:46 | <@Reiver> | No excuses! |
| 03:46 | | * Reiver has cs30xab shot. |
| 03:49 | | * cs30xab is executed via firing squad. |
| 03:49 | | * cs30xab 's younger brothers join an insurgency. One of them sets off an IED next to Reiver |
| 03:50 | <@Reiver> | Damn! |
| 03:50 | | * Reiver has the younger brothers shot for treason. |
| 03:51 | | * cs30xab notes that this is turnink into one of doze plans, Gorb. |
| 03:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | And any plan in which you lose your hat is? |
| 03:59 | <@cs30xab> | A bad plan? |
| 04:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Right again! |
| 04:01 | | * ToxicFrog slwwps |
| 04:01 | <@Chalcedon> | night TF |
| 04:02 | | * Chalcedon pondersate how to add a key to the graph |
| 04:02 | <@cs30xab> | Night. |
| 04:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | Chalcedon: the commands you need are mostly - I think - newpath, lineto, rlineto, moveto, fillrect, text/rtext/ctext, possibly some others. |
| 04:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | Can't give you details, must sleep, will add it tomorrow if you haven't already. |
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| 14:10 | | mode/#code [+v MyCatOwnz] by Stephenie |
| 14:11 | | * MyCatOwnz hugs Stephenie. |
| 14:11 | | * Stephenie hugs and tickles MCO |
| 14:11 | <+MyCatOwnz> | Eeeeek! |
| 14:11 | | * MyCatOwnz rolls around the room, giggling |
| 14:14 | <@Stephenie> | Be careful you might just roll into something and hurt yourself lol |
| 14:17 | <+MyCatOwnz> | Meh, there's only walls and landmines in here. |
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| 14:38 | <@Stephenie> | How do I use voice here? |
| 14:39 | <+MyCatOwnz> | You just did. |
| 14:39 | | * Stephenie blinks |
| 14:40 | <@Stephenie> | I thought you were referring to like a microphone |
| 14:43 | <+MyCatOwnz> | No. I can see why that could cause confusion. |
| 14:43 | <+MyCatOwnz> | Oopsie. |
| 14:44 | <@Stephenie> | lol |
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| 19:42 | <+KarmaBot> | AnnoDomini has a question. Would say it normally, but lacks Voice. :/ Is it possible to draw things in Dialog-based applications, much like in Document-based applications, in Visual Studio 2003? |
| 19:43 | | mode/#code [+v AnnoDomini] by Stephenie |
| 19:43 | <+AnnoDomini> | Thank you. |
| 19:43 | <@Stephenie> | Your welcome :) |
| 19:43 | | mode/#code [+v GeoTube] by Stephenie |
| 19:43 | | mode/#code [-m] by Vornicus |
| 19:44 | | mode/#code [+o-v AnnoDomini GeoTube] by Vornicus |
| 19:44 | <@AnnoDomini> | Thanks more, Vornicus. :) |
| 19:45 | <@AnnoDomini> | Anybody know the answer to the question? I'd ask Pi directly, as his MSMinionity has reached me via word of mouth, but he seems to be absent. |
| 19:46 | <@Vornicus> | I don't even know what the question means |
| 19:47 | <@AnnoDomini> | I wanna draw things using CDC or something with similiar way of handling things. |
| 19:47 | <@AnnoDomini> | I know I can do that in a document-based application. |
| 19:47 | <@AnnoDomini> | It just uses the document area as a drawing field. |
| 19:47 | <@AnnoDomini> | There is no document field in dialog-based applications. |
| 19:48 | <@AnnoDomini> | As there are no buttons and text fields in document-based applications. |
| 19:48 | <@AnnoDomini> | I need both. |
| 19:48 | <@AnnoDomini> | That is, to draw and use the Editbox/Button stuff. |
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| 19:59 | <@Stephenie> | o_O |
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| 20:00 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'm being forced to use VS2003. I would rather use Borland. :( |
| 20:01 | < GeoTube> | :[ |
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| 20:17 | <@AnnoDomini> | Argh. Why won't you accept my class as a class, you bloody thing? |
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| 20:52 | | * Vornicus tries to learn Javascript enough to make a timer... |
| 20:52 | | * Vornicus mehs, gives up |
| 20:53 | | * AnnoDomini makes half of the program the for the programming class project. |
| 20:54 | <@AnnoDomini> | Now, I "only" have to figure out how to make the dice roller draw actual representations of die sides. |
| 20:54 | <@AnnoDomini> | And I still need to know what the side of a d18 is. |
| 20:54 | <@Vornicus> | a d18 is a gyrobipyramid |
| 20:54 | <@Vornicus> | so its face looks sorta like a d10's |
| 20:55 | <@AnnoDomini> | So... a kind of kite thingy? |
| 20:55 | <@Vornicus> | yep |
| 20:55 | <@Vornicus> | If you feel like doing the math, a d18 is the dual of a 9-antiprism |
| 20:56 | <@AnnoDomini> | Define 9-antiprism, please. |
| 20:56 | <@AnnoDomini> | The dual of something, too. |
| 20:57 | <@Vornicus> | http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Antiprism.html |
| 20:59 | <@Vornicus> | The dual of a polyhedron A is another polyhedron A' such that each face of A corresponds to a vertex of A', and each face of A' corresponds to a vertex of A, and each edge of A correspondes to an edge of A'. |
| 20:59 | <@AnnoDomini> | Vertex? |
| 20:59 | <@Vornicus> | A cube and an octahedron are duals of each other, a dodecahedron and an icosahedron are duals of each other. |
| 20:59 | <@Vornicus> | ...corner. |
| 21:00 | <@AnnoDomini> | This is all way too complex for me. My geometry learning stopped at high school. :( |
| 21:00 | <@Vornicus> | Heh |
| 21:02 | | * AnnoDomini thinks he will fare far better at his second project for this semester. |
| 21:02 | <@Vornicus> | http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Trapezohedron.html |
| 21:02 | <@AnnoDomini> | It's basically to make a Zorklike. |
| 21:02 | <@Vornicus> | Do you get to pick the language? :) |
| 21:03 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yes, provided it's Visual C++. |
| 21:03 | <@AnnoDomini> | <_ |
| 21:03 | <@AnnoDomini> | < |
| 21:03 | | * AnnoDomini screwed up that smiley. |
| 21:04 | <@Vornicus> | I pity you. |
| 21:04 | <@AnnoDomini> | Apparently, the higher-ups suddenly decided that Visual Studio 2006 is the only correct environment for learning. |
| 21:04 | < EvilDarkLord> | Build a Perl interpreter in VC++ and use that >.> |
| 21:04 | <@AnnoDomini> | *2003 |
| 21:05 | | * AnnoDomini is way too tired to be up right now. |
| 21:05 | <@Vornicus> | Build an Inform 7 interpreter and use that. |
| 21:05 | | * AnnoDomini is NOT a programmer. |
| 21:06 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah |
| 21:06 | <@AnnoDomini> | So what you're telling me to do is black magic. |
| 21:06 | <@Vornicus> | Inform 7, as far as I can tell? The interpreter /must/ be black magic. |
| 21:10 | | * AnnoDomini still figures he'll manage with that Zorklike. He will only need to figure out how to make a 2D array, the map, assign objects to it that will do what the user wants to do, and stuff. |
| 21:12 | <@AnnoDomini> | There's also the user input. Which will have to checked against available actions in each node, in conjunction with items that the player might have. |
| 21:13 | <@Vornicus> | If you're doing IF, I think McM is your best bet; he, uh. Does this stuff. |
| 21:13 | <@AnnoDomini> | Er... what? |
| 21:13 | <@AnnoDomini> | McM? |
| 21:14 | <@Vornicus> | IF: Interactive Fiction. THe name applied to text adventures and similar |
| 21:14 | <@Vornicus> | McM: McMartin. |
| 21:15 | <@AnnoDomini> | Ah. But what is McMartin? |
| 21:15 | <@AnnoDomini> | A language? |
| 21:15 | <@Vornicus> | um |
| 21:16 | <@Vornicus> | The most important thing to consider when deciding what an action does in IF? /what objects are at hand/ |
| 21:17 | <@AnnoDomini> | Okay... |
| 21:18 | | * Vornicus points at the nicklist |
| 21:18 | <@Vornicus> | there are some objects at hand. |
| 21:18 | <@AnnoDomini> | Okay. |
| 21:18 | <@Vornicus> | So, tell me. What is McMartin? |
| 21:18 | <@AnnoDomini> | A nick? A user? |
| 21:18 | <@Vornicus> | yes. |
| 21:22 | < aoanla> | A very talented human being. |
| 21:22 | < aoanla> | Who dabbles in IF writing, and reviews much IF. |
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| 21:25 | <@Vornicus> | And who also looks dashing in trenchcoat and hat. |
| 21:25 | | * ToxicFrog eyebrows |
| 21:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | McM? |
| 21:25 | < aoanla> | Quite so. |
| 21:26 | < aoanla> | We're singing his praises to AnnoDomini |
| 21:26 | < aoanla> | Specifically in the arena of IF. |
| 21:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 21:26 | | * AnnoDomini will need to write a Zorklike, probably before Christmas. |
| 21:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...need as in "required to", or need as in "I must do this or my soul will explode"? |
| 21:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | If the former, in what language? |
| 21:27 | <@AnnoDomini> | Former. C++. |
| 21:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
| 21:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | So this is actually an exercise in interactive lexer and parser design and implementation. |
| 21:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | And not an exercise in interactive fiction design. |
| 21:28 | <@Vornicus> | make a .z5 interpreter! |
| 21:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Are you allowed yo use lex/yacc? |
| 21:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...heeeee. |
| 21:28 | <@Vornicus> | (then the IF bit just falls out) |
| 21:28 | <@AnnoDomini> | I doubt the lecturer will like total rubbish for the fluff. |
| 21:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Would that be within the spirit of the rules? |
| 21:28 | <@AnnoDomini> | ToxicFrog: The what now? |
| 21:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Writing a Z-machine and then doing the actual assignment in Inform? |
| 21:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Wait, what are you asking about? |
| 21:29 | <@Vornicus> | ...actually, that sounds like a great idea, I think I'll do that one of these days. |
| 21:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, from the top: |
| 21:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | - Inform is a language for writing interactive fiction |
| 21:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | - it compiles to Infocom Z-code, bytecode for the notional Z-machine |
| 21:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | - one possible approach to this assignment would be to write a Z-machine implementation in C++, then just write the IF part of it in Inform, which comes with the hard parts (parsing, world model) built in |
| 21:30 | <@AnnoDomini> | We're allowed C++. Period. It's implied that we should be doing this with VS2003. |
| 21:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh. Ick. |
| 21:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | So probably no lex/yacc either, then? |
| 21:30 | < aoanla> | ...ick. |
| 21:30 | <@Vornicus> | ...and how much programming experience do you have, exactly? |
| 21:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | (if it uses makefiles and standard GNU & POSIX utilities, will they accept it? Or does it have to build under VS?) |
| 21:31 | < aoanla> | I suspect lex/yacc would be pushing it, TF. |
| 21:31 | <@AnnoDomini> | Now, let's be clear on what my competences are - I can write a program that adds up two variables. Most of the time. |
| 21:31 | <@Vornicus> | Because I've got five years and this is beyond my ability. |
| 21:31 | < aoanla> | It depends. |
| 21:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | I have over a decade and I can do it, but I'd have to refer to the Dragon Book a lot. And I'd much rather either use lex/yacc or something other than C++. |
| 21:32 | < aoanla> | Writing a very short, hard-coded adventure is easier than writing a generic lexical parser. |
| 21:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | (this is, going by UG's path, fourth-year material) |
| 21:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | aoanla: you may have a point there. |
| 21:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, what is the actual problem description? |
| 21:33 | | * AnnoDomini has so far passed year 1. Year one was making stuff that adds up numbers in console. This is year two. Now we're supposed to make flashy, visual applications using OOP. |
| 21:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | I mean, this may actually be an exercise in IO, string comparison and basic world model stuff. |
| 21:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | ... |
| 21:34 | < aoanla> | I suspect this is to be a very /simple/ Zorklike. |
| 21:35 | <@AnnoDomini> | I've got maybe a month, and that's with about 2-4 hours weekly of my time at max, due to other Uni stuff. |
| 21:35 | <@AnnoDomini> | Like Complex Functions math. |
| 21:35 | <@AnnoDomini> | Like Numerical Methods. |
| 21:36 | <@Vornicus> | okay, this is called "pull the other one, it's got bells on" |
| 21:36 | <@AnnoDomini> | Like bloody Semiconductor Tools and Circuits. |
| 21:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: either that or this is much simpler than it sounds. |
| 21:37 | | * AnnoDomini is SO gonna fail this semester. |
| 21:37 | <@Vornicus> | yes. |
| 21:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | But, still, 2-4h/week? Dingo kidneys. |
| 21:37 | <@AnnoDomini> | Maybe if I eschewed more sleep... |
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| 21:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways, do you have a problem spec kicking around? |
| 21:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh, and now I remember. |
| 21:40 | | * ToxicFrog pokes Chalcedon |
| 21:40 | <@AnnoDomini> | I would like it very much if the guy who's supposed to be teaching us stuff to actually explain things to us, instead of just approaching teaching from the 'here's a problem, figure it out' approach. |
| 21:40 | <@AnnoDomini> | ToxicFrog: Hmm? |
| 21:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Problem spec. Do you have one? |
| 21:43 | <@AnnoDomini> | You mean, the text where it's said what I have to do? |
| 21:44 | <@Vornicus> | yes |
| 21:45 | <@AnnoDomini> | Lessee... I assume you don't know Polish, so I'll find some translation site and check it over. Gimme a minute or two. |
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| 21:53 | <@AnnoDomini> | Player should become a character exploring an imaginary area, divided into smaller subareas. Player should obtain descriptions of these areas in the form of text. Should have capability to move through it and do actions ( e.g. battle with monsters, conversation with NPCs, turning on the computer etc.) issuing proper commands ( e.g. north (causes the character to travel north, if it exists), take k |
| 21:53 | <@AnnoDomini> | ey, read book, etc.) player ought to have some goal or riddle to accomplish (like escaping from a labyrinth), that will give the game some meaning. Descriptions of areas, forms, should be recorded in text file in such form as to enable easy editing and expanding, such as using the syntax - description rooms reaction. After issuing the "help" command, the game should display all available actions i |
| 21:53 | <@AnnoDomini> | n the subarea. |
| 21:53 | | * Chalcedon pokes back |
| 21:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
| 21:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Chalcedon: you wanted a key on the graph? |
| 21:54 | <@Chalcedon> | yes please |
| 21:54 | <@Chalcedon> | I was going to have a poke myself, see if I could figure it out |
| 21:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, just [color in a box] number? |
| 21:54 | <@Chalcedon> | yup with 'No data' for the grey |
| 21:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | Alright, that should be fairly simple. |
| 21:55 | | * aoanla notes that it looks like AD's game is a 7DRL with text descriptions~ |
| 21:57 | | * AnnoDomini raises an eyebrow. |
| 21:57 | <@Vornicus> | "7drl"? |
| 21:58 | < aoanla> | "7 Day Roguelike" |
| 21:58 | < aoanla> | A game with Rogue's degree of functionality written in less than a week (often with additional interesting wrinkles, but always playable.) |
| 22:00 | <@AnnoDomini> | Whatever it takes to get a positive grade. :) |
| 22:01 | < aoanla> | All you need is a simple maze, and being able to parse a couple of actions. |
| 22:01 | < aoanla> | (the cardinal directions, "get X", "drop Y", "inventory" and "use X on Y" are a minimal set) |
| 22:02 | | * Vornicus ponders that in the end, what's been described fits /perfectly/ with a Z-machine parser, except that you need Inform to compile the text thing. |
| 22:12 | <@Vornicus> | (also you'll want quit, or people will hit you.) |
| 22:13 | <@AnnoDomini> | ((Only if they for some reason won't use the little X button on the window.)) |
| 22:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | (trust us on this one) |
| 22:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | (especially since some people will be running it from the command line) |
| 22:14 | <@AnnoDomini> | ((People still use that? O_o)) |
| 22:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | (So if it doesn't accept > QUIT, it has to at least accept EOF.) |
| 22:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | (...some of us practically live in it, AD. I have bash installed on all of my machines and keyboard shortcuts to access it at will. I have a /quake-style dropdown bash shell/ on my laptop.) |
| 22:15 | <@AnnoDomini> | ((Migod.)) |
| 22:16 | <@AnnoDomini> | ((Closest I come to that is, uh, IRG.)) |
| 22:16 | <@AnnoDomini> | ((*IRC)) |
| 22:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | (Indeed, it has been many years since I used a system without bash installed, and I no longer remember how such things are possible.) |
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| 22:17 | < hihiok> | *** http://youtube.com/watch?v=UyTxWvp8upM - The Kevin Federline / Britney Spears Sex Tape *** |
| 22:17 | | hihiok was kicked from #code by ToxicFrog [You are not welcome here, insect] |
| 22:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways. |
| 22:18 | | * Vornicus wonders why anyone would want to see that anyway |
| 22:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes. Command line. No longer capable of living without it. Vital tool for day to day usage. |
| 22:18 | | * AnnoDomini just presumes it's a virus of some sort. |
| 22:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Any program that will reasonably be run from the command line and does not spawn a seperate window of its own must accept at least one of quit, exit, SIGINT, or EOF as an exit command, and should ideally accept all of them unless there is some compelling reason not to. |
| 22:19 | <@Vornicus> | where SIGINT is ^D and EOF is ^Z |
| 22:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | No, SIGINT is ^C. |
| 22:19 | <@Vornicus> | I think that's what htey are though |
| 22:20 | <@Vornicus> | what's ^D then? |
| 22:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | EOF is ^D on UNIX and Linux systems and probably OSX as well. |
| 22:20 | <@Vornicus> | ah |
| 22:20 | <@AnnoDomini> | Those're control codes, aye? |
| 22:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's ^Z^M on Windows and DOS. |
| 22:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
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| 22:20 | <@Vornicus> | ms's console debugger doesn't accept EOF. i got stomped on my that madness once. |
| 22:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | AD: in particular, regular players of IF will expect QUIT to work, and regular users of POSIXoid systems will expect EOF to. |
| 22:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | You will however at least get SIGINT for free unless you specifically set a signal handler for it. |
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| 23:48 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 23:59 | <@Vornicus> | He's a quick draw with a lighter, he's a pseudo movie star |
| 23:59 | < MyCatOwnz> | Who's who? |
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