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| 00:09 | < Vornotron> | pff. |
| 00:10 | <@Reiver> | Can I have an extension, Vorny? |
| 00:10 | <@Reiver> | Fucking Xchat and it's fucking not getting a hint... |
| 00:10 | < Vornotron> | let me see if I can service-op without my nick. i'm under the impression I can't, but. |
| 00:12 | < Vornotron> | Access denied. |
| 00:12 | | * Reiver nod, huggle. |
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| 05:23 | < McMartin> | Inform 7 Build 3Z95 is out for OS X; Win32 version should be released soonish |
| 05:28 | < ReivOut> | ...Woo? |
| 05:29 | < McMartin> | Yay, progress |
| 05:29 | < McMartin> | And WSIF will need some work done to it, it looks like, to keep up with the language as it evolves. |
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| 19:39 | | * Vornotron battles LDAP. |
| 20:13 | < Vornotron> | SO 1. I don't know what hte heck I'm doing, 2. I don't know how the heck the target system is set up, and 3. I don't know how to access the target system at all. |
| 20:13 | < Vornotron> | THis... bodes not well. |
| 20:15 | < jerith> | It does not. |
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| 21:36 | <@Chalcedon> | anybody about? |
| 21:37 | < jerith> | Indeedy. |
| 21:37 | < MyCatOwnz> | No. |
| 21:37 | < MyCatOwnz> | I'm AFK. |
| 21:37 | < jerith> | What can this humble hacker do for your eminence? |
| 21:37 | < MyCatOwnz> | (Secretly.) |
| 21:37 | <@Chalcedon> | we've noticed in another channel that people on Blargh and Deepthought are having issues seeing people on Troika |
| 21:38 | <@Chalcedon> | are you able to help with that at all? |
| 21:38 | | * jerith nods. |
| 21:38 | < jerith> | I'm looking for someone who can. |
| 21:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | #nightstar is a better place to mention this, but yes. |
| 21:38 | <@Chalcedon> | Grue said he'd tried help, so I tried here... |
| 21:38 | < jerith> | I may have the requisite skills, but not the knowledge. |
| 21:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | Can you give me details? |
| 21:39 | < jerith> | ToxicFrog: Can you hear me? |
| 21:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
| 21:39 | < jerith> | Ah. |
| 21:39 | <@Chalcedon> | in #tsc, I can't see Tekkie, and Grue can only see her on his SK2 which is on the same server (troika) |
| 21:39 | < jerith> | So I'm not getting lost. :-) |
| 21:39 | < MyCatOwnz> | The user "Tekkie007" (in #tsc) in invisible to everybody who is not on the server troika. |
| 21:39 | < MyCatOwnz> | This is our problem. |
| 21:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. Indeed she is. |
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| 21:43 | < Eve> | Haha! |
| 21:43 | < Eve> | Take that... And stay down! |
| 21:43 | < MyCatOwnz> | Eve: totally deliberate >_> |
| 21:43 | | mode/#code [+oo ReivZzz TheWatcher] by jerith |
| 21:43 | <@jerith> | (Since ChanServ demoted them.) |
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| 21:57 | <@jerith> | Can anyone perchance point me at a reasonable JavaScript reference? |
| 21:58 | <@jerith> | I have been told that such a beast does not really exist, but still. |
| 21:59 | < ToxicFrog> | Even disregarding the fact that each browser has its own subtly incompatible implementation, I think you're hosed. |
| 21:59 | <@jerith> | Specifically Firefox JS (although unles there are major differences it shouldn't really matter) since I want to write a greasemonkey script. |
| 22:00 | < Eve> | w3schools.com? |
| 22:01 | < ToxicFrog> | Your best bet is to read existing JavaScript, then beat your head repeatedly against a desk while sobbing quietly and muttering "why, god, why?" until you lose consciousness. |
| 22:01 | < Eve> | Or asking other people to do it for you and hope they're kind enough to actually do it too. |
| 22:01 | <@jerith> | That bad, huh? |
| 22:02 | < ToxicFrog> | Well, in truth, I exaggerate slightly. |
| 22:02 | < ToxicFrog> | That's Perl. |
| 22:03 | < Eve> | Except PERL is worse. |
| 22:03 | < MyCatOwnz> | Hang on, be fair. |
| 22:03 | < ToxicFrog> | That's what I just said. |
| 22:03 | < MyCatOwnz> | There aren't any subtly differing versions of Perl for one to have to cope with. |
| 22:03 | <@jerith> | What do you expect from a language designed by a linguist? |
| 22:04 | < Vornotron> | No no |
| 22:04 | < ToxicFrog> | MCO: no, it combines them all into one~ |
| 22:04 | <@jerith> | To be fair, though, I have seen some beautifully crafter perl. |
| 22:04 | < Vornotron> | What do you expect from a language designed by a guy that /won the IOCCC one year/? |
| 22:04 | < Eve> | That's ok, Sharepoint is still written in uglier code. |
| 22:05 | <@jerith> | There are /wildly different/ implementations all living in the same interpreter. |
| 22:05 | < MyCatOwnz> | jerith: that sounds amusing. |
| 22:05 | <@jerith> | I'm sure there are at least two fully separable languages in there... |
| 22:06 | < Vornotron> | in where, perl? |
| 22:06 | <@jerith> | Modulo some of the basic operators which are fairly universal. |
| 22:06 | | * jerith nods. |
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| 22:07 | < Vornotron> | Right now my favorite language is Ruby... except for the fact that half the thing has no documentation. |
| 22:08 | < ToxicFrog> | jerith: only two? |
| 22:08 | < MyCatOwnz> | My favourite language is... Haskell, for the moment. |
| 22:08 | < MyCatOwnz> | 'Cuz it's fun to piss about with ^-6 |
| 22:08 | < MyCatOwnz> | Ehhh, shift key. ^_^ |
| 22:09 | <@jerith> | There are many more bits of languages, but I'm talking about pulling out two that are as different as, say, Ruby and Python. |
| 22:09 | <@jerith> | Or C and Java. |
| 22:09 | < Vornotron> | not that Ruby and Python are too drastically different. |
| 22:09 | | * TheWatcher[T-2] shiftyeyes |
| 22:09 | < ToxicFrog> | Still Lua here. Although I'd be much obliged if LuaForge.net would come back online so I can grab luaGTK. |
| 22:09 | <@TheWatcher[T-2]> | perl 4tw! |
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| 22:10 | < Vornotron> | I would eat TW's mind, but he's already lost it. |
| 22:10 | <@jerith> | Vornotron: No, but they have instantly differentiable syntax. |
| 22:10 | < Vornotron> | True, this |
| 22:10 | <@jerith> | Given more than a couple of lines, you know which is which. |
| 22:10 | <@jerith> | I want blocks in Python. :-/ |
| 22:10 | <@jerith> | Or less Perlity in Ruby. |
| 22:11 | | * ToxicFrog wants a language with a lexer that can be extended at runtime in that language. |
| 22:11 | < Vornotron> | I liked the perlisms I found in Ruby. |
| 22:11 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: ummm, what? |
| 22:11 | < ToxicFrog> | ? |
| 22:12 | | * jerith hands ToxicFrog Lisp? |
| 22:12 | < ToxicFrog> | ...other than Lisp, and I'm not entirely sure you can modify the lexer for that at runtime anyways. |
| 22:12 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: how so? New grammar? New operators? New... what would the programmer be adding to the language? |
| 22:12 | < ToxicFrog> | Although I have seen parser modifications. |
| 22:12 | <@jerith> | You can modify the semantics, which is further than you can go in most. |
| 22:13 | < Vornotron> | the one-line conditions/loops, the Starwars operator, the regex-as-first-class thing. |
| 22:13 | <@jerith> | MyCatOwnz: You'd be rewriting the language as you go. |
| 22:13 | <@jerith> | Starwars operator? |
| 22:13 | < ToxicFrog> | ...starwars operator? |
| 22:13 | <@jerith> | <=> ? |
| 22:13 | < MyCatOwnz> | Heheheh. |
| 22:13 | | * Vornotron has a list of like 20 operators floating around that aren't used in C, for instance. |
| 22:13 | < Vornotron> | Yes, <=> |
| 22:14 | < MyCatOwnz> | What does *that* do? |
| 22:14 | <@jerith> | That's the spaceship operator. |
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| 22:14 | <@jerith> | MyCatOwnz: Magic. |
| 22:14 | < Vornotron> | It's a three-state compare. |
| 22:14 | < Vornotron> | Ruby uses it with mixins to implement comparable. |
| 22:14 | < MyCatOwnz> | jerith: I'd guessed that much. |
| 22:14 | < ToxicFrog> | ...what is a three-state compare? |
| 22:14 | < Vornotron> | a <=> b returns one of {-1, 0, 1} |
| 22:14 | < ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 22:15 | < Vornotron> | -1 if a < b, 0 if a == b, 1 if a > b |
| 22:15 | < Vornotron> | similar to python's cmp() method. |
| 22:15 | < ToxicFrog> | Or the strcmp()oids from cstdlib. |
| 22:16 | | * Vornotron also very much likes the pseudohungarian notation from Ruby - local @instance @@class $global CONSTANT |
| 22:16 | <@jerith> | A lot of people I've spoken to hate it. |
| 22:17 | < Vornotron> | what, the pseudohungarian? |
| 22:17 | <@jerith> | Then again, having to self. everything in Python gets tedious. |
| 22:17 | < ToxicFrog> | jerith: I did at first, but it actually makes a lot more sense than perl's. |
| 22:17 | | * jerith nods. |
| 22:17 | < Vornotron> | indeed |
| 22:17 | < ToxicFrog> | Since it indicates scope, not type. |
| 22:17 | <@jerith> | At least it's telling you where... |
| 22:17 | <@jerith> | Yes, that. |
| 22:18 | < ToxicFrog> | And yeah, that gets old in Lua too. Which is what setfenv() and the __index overload are for. |
| 22:19 | <@jerith> | What I /don't/ like in Ruby are global vars changing behaviour. |
| 22:19 | < Vornotron> | changing behaviour how? |
| 22:22 | <@jerith> | Can't think of one offhand. |
| 22:22 | <@jerith> | But magic variables frighten me somewhat. |
| 22:45 | < Vornotron> | Beware the ninja gardenhose! |
| 22:47 | | * jerith applies the inverse ninja law. |
| 22:47 | < Vornotron> | ...which one is that? |
| 22:47 | <@jerith> | The one where an individual ninja is a deadly threat but a group of them are trivially overcome. |
| 22:48 | < Vornotron> | No, no. |
| 22:48 | < Vornotron> | The gardenhose itself is ninja. |
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| 22:48 | <@jerith> | Same jurisdiction as the Imperial Stormtrooper School of Marksmanship. |
| 22:48 | < McMartin> | In particular, "One ninja is ten times as powerful as ten ninjas." |
| 22:48 | <@jerith> | Indeed. |
| 22:49 | < Vornotron> | This is an inverse square ninja law. |
| 22:49 | < McMartin> | There is still research that needs to be done on fractional ninja, though. |
| 22:49 | < McMartin> | It may be more like the black body radiation curve. |
| 22:50 | < Vornotron> | QUantum Ninja Dynamics? |
| 22:50 | < McMartin> | It really depends on what "half a ninja" means |
| 22:50 | < McMartin> | Because if you have a ninja and slice him in half with a lightning-fast iaijutsu move, you in some sense now have two half-ninjas. |
| 22:51 | < McMartin> | But their summed effectiveness is zero. |
| 22:51 | < Vornotron> | Half a ninja is a ninja played by Vern Troyer. |
| 22:52 | < McMartin> | It seems to me that it's a strict linear relationship between 0 and 1 ninja. |
| 22:52 | < Vornotron> | heh |
| 22:52 | < McMartin> | 3/4 ninja can ninj half again as well as 1/2 ninja. |
| 22:52 | | * jerith nods. |
| 22:53 | < Vornotron> | ...that's the best verb I have ever seen in my entire life. |
| 22:53 | < McMartin> | Also: http://xkcd.com/c70.html -- see also alt text. |
| 22:53 | < McMartin> | Vorn: It works even better if you're British and thus put Rs where they do not belong |
| 22:54 | < McMartin> | Because then Ninja actually sounds like "ninjer", which is clearly one who ninjes. |
| 22:54 | < Vornotron> | ...rofl |
| 22:54 | < ToxicFrog> | Vorn: better than "vike"? |
| 22:54 | < McMartin> | TF:... vike has, I suppose, the advantage of being real. |
| 22:55 | < Vornotron> | vike is pretty good too. |
| 22:55 | < ToxicFrog> | Vikings are, after all, the lava to Ninja-Pirate-Cowboy's Paper-Rock-Scissors. |
| 22:56 | < Vornotron> | ...vike doesn't seem to be in the dictionary. |
| 22:56 | < McMartin> | Pirates, like rocks, float on lava? |
| 22:56 | < McMartin> | Vornotron: The Old Norse dictionary, anyway. "Going a'viking" was going pirating. |
| 22:56 | < Vornotron> | aha |
| 22:56 | < ToxicFrog> | Vorn: it means "to wear an awesome helmet"~ |
| 22:57 | | * Vornotron wants an awesome helmet! |
| 22:57 | < Vornotron> | ...there need to be vikings in PotC3. |
| 23:00 | < McMartin> | VotC! |
| 23:01 | < McMartin> | Though really, you could make a case for vikings showing up if they travel to Hyperborea or Ultima Thule or something. |
| 23:01 | < Vornotron> | hyperborea. |
| 23:01 | < Vornotron> | more north? |
| 23:02 | < McMartin> | If I remember my fringe reading correctly, Hyperborea is Iceland, in a world where Iceland was actually the last redoubt of the Atlanteans/Ancient Astronauts/both. |
| 23:03 | < McMartin> | Ultima Thule was where the Nazis were going to open a gate to Hell so as to get the power of the Aesir to crush the Allies. |
| 23:03 | < Vornotron> | ...wait, that scene from Hellboy? |
| 23:04 | < McMartin> | The only part that's parody is that it worked. |
| 23:04 | < McMartin> | Likewise for Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, really. |
| 23:04 | < Vornotron> | ....awesome. |
| 23:04 | < McMartin> | Your search term for the day, assuming I can spell it right, is "Ahnenerbe SS". |
| 23:06 | < Vornotron> | looks right |
| 23:13 | <@jerith> | G'night. |
| 23:17 | < Vornotron> | Also, apropos of nothing, I want a name as cool as "Thurl Ravenscroft" |
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