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| 01:57 | < ReivZzz> | Opera has one extremely aggrivating feature for me. |
| 01:57 | < ReivZzz> | It for some reason will 'hang' on a not-working connection. This is not the problem. |
| 01:58 | < ReivZzz> | The problem is that it will for some reason set /every subsiquent page I try to load/ to "Waiting #X", and I have to search through my open tabs to find the one that has hung, and hit 'stop'. |
| 01:58 | < ReivZzz> | Else they all sit in a traffic jam. |
| 01:58 | < ReivZzz> | It is most vexing, as it is the singular most frustrating thing it does. |
| 02:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | You have an excessively low limit on "max total open connections". |
| 02:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | Prefs->Advanced->Network. |
| 02:07 | < ReivZzz> | 16 and 20. |
| 02:07 | < ReivZzz> | It hangs on the first page to, uh, hang. |
| 02:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | I have mine set to 256. |
| 02:08 | < ReivZzz> | I'm wondering if there isn't a bug in the connection queing in Opera or some such. |
| 02:08 | | * ReivZzz cranks his up all the way anyway. |
| 02:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | If on windows, you probably want to keep it under 512 or so. |
| 02:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | And there is some kind of problem, but it's not in connection queueing. |
| 02:08 | < ReivZzz> | (Only goes up to 128.) |
| 02:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | (config file editing by hand 4tw) |
| 02:08 | < ReivZzz> | Hm. Are they aware of it? >.> |
| 02:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's in the fact that it's possible for a connection to get into a state where opera will never close it. |
| 02:09 | < ReivZzz> | Ah, yes. |
| 02:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | So it hangs around taking up a queue slot forever. |
| 02:09 | < ReivZzz> | And then everything behind it gets stuck? |
| 02:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm not entirely sure this is actually an opera problem. |
| 02:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | I've seen similar behaviour on other windows programs, and I've never seen this at all under Linux. |
| 02:09 | < ReivZzz> | Oh. Hrm. |
| 02:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | So I'm actually betting 80-20 this is a problem with the windows TCP stack. |
| 02:09 | < ReivZzz> | When Opera does it, I've tried flipping to Firefox. |
| 02:10 | < ReivZzz> | And then I have no problems (Other than it's firefox, ew). |
| 02:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | As for "everything behind it gets stuck" - once all the available slots are filled with dead sockets, yes. |
| 02:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | If you have 20 slots, and you get 20 dead sockets, everything else goes into the "waiting" queue and never proceeds. |
| 02:11 | < ReivZzz> | I see. |
| 02:11 | < ReivZzz> | Why would it /appear/ to do it on the first connection to go bad, then? |
| 02:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | It may not be the first connection to go bad, it's just the first one you see. |
| 02:12 | < ReivZzz> | ...Ah. Right. |
| 02:12 | < ReivZzz> | That could be eminently possible, aye. |
| 02:12 | | * ReivZzz coughs. Given Opera never gets shut off. |
| 02:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Since (1) since nothing is working, you're paying more attention and (2) if it's not the last, it'll be followed by successful transfers which obscure the fact that a socket failed. |
| 02:12 | < ReivZzz> | Yes, that just occoured to me. :) |
| 02:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also, if you have, say, a page with lots of images, and all the images point to a misbehaving server, you can go from 0 to 20 dead sockets in a single page load. |
| 02:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Although I've only seen this happen once. |
| 02:13 | | * ReivZzz has cranked it up to 128. We'll see if that helps at all. |
| 02:17 | <@McMartin> | Clearly it should be cranked up to 11. |
| 02:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...hmm. |
| 02:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | So. |
| 02:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | I move transport vessel adjacent to city with planetbusters. |
| 02:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | I move planetbusters onto transport vessel. |
| 02:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | I end turn. |
| 02:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Planetbusters are now completely missing. |
| 02:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Military info screen swears 8 produced, 0 lost. |
| 02:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Whoops, wrong channel. |
| 02:23 | < ReivZzz> | What game? |
| 02:24 | <@McMartin> | SMAC |
| 02:24 | < ReivZzz> | Ah. |
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| 02:42 | <@Vornicus> | SMAC has some bugs. |
| 02:43 | <@Vornicus> | Unpatched, some secret projects don't work at all - Cloning Vats, for instance. |
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| 02:55 | <@McMartin> | SMAC also doesn't run right in WINE, though it's been getting better. |
| 02:59 | | * Reiver doesn't actually know what SMAC is. >.> |
| 03:00 | <@Vornicus> | Sid Meier'sAlpha Centauri |
| 03:00 | <@Vornicus> | it's a Civ game |
| 03:00 | < Reiver> | Ach! I see. |
| 03:01 | <@Vornicus> | fleee |
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| 03:42 | < Vornicus-Latens> | retuuuurn |
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| 03:42 | <@Mahal> | helooooo |
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| 04:06 | < Reiver> | Hio Vorny! |
| 04:12 | < Vornicus> | yoh |
| 04:24 | < Vornicus> | Mahal, how do you like the games I linked? |
| 04:24 | <@Mahal> | Only played Spin Doctor so far. |
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| 15:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
| 15:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | I think I see how to implement Ruby-esque Symbols in Lua. |
| 15:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | It'd be more elegant if I were allowed to modify the lexer, though. Aah well. |
| 15:25 | | * TheWatcher[wr0k] ponders a version of Lua that lets you extend the lexer from within lua... |
| 15:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | That would rock fairly hard. |
| 15:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm not going to write it, though, because then it wouldn't be Lua anymore. |
| 15:26 | <@TheWatcher[wr0k]> | True. It could be called Lua++ or something... >.> |
| 15:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | My point is, my code would no longer run on standard Lua terps. |
| 15:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | It would be so easy to modify the lexer to accept a prefix for symbols, though... |
| 15:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Actually modifying the lexer at runtime would require a serious rewrite of llex, I think. |
| 15:31 | <@TheWatcher[wr0k]> | Probably |
| 15:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | They didn't use a lexer generator or anything, they wrote their own. |
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| 16:12 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Call it Luby. |
| 16:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Pfft. |
| 16:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm actually not sure what the point would be. |
| 16:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's one character faster to type than strings. Whee. |
| 16:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | No performance benefit without hacking more than just the lexer. |
| 16:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | On the other hand, adding [-`?] as allowable characters in names is quite easy. |
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| 18:03 | < Vornicus> | ...weird. There's apparently a cartridge for c64 with a z80 in it. |
| 18:03 | < Vornicus> | ...I /really/ need to learn z80 assembler, it is /everywhere/ |
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| 19:11 | < Vornicus> | ...aslo, Mellow Yellow is stuck in my head. |
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