| --- Log opened Thu Aug 03 00:00:01 2006 |
| 00:00 | <@Chalcedon> | if I put it at the end of function2 (before the print) it gives an error (referenced before assignment) |
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| 00:13 | | * Chalcedon waves to TF |
| 00:14 | | * ToxicFrog meeps Chalcy |
| 00:15 | <@Chalcedon> | meep? |
| 00:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Meep! |
| 00:26 | <@Chalcedon> | hrm. |
| 00:26 | <@Chalcedon> | my problem seems to have disappeared, which seems odd. |
| 00:26 | <@Chalcedon> | or maybe not. |
| 00:28 | <@Chalcedon> | is there any way to set a list to empty in Python other than list = [] ?? |
| 00:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | No idea. |
| 00:29 | <@Chalcedon> | hrm |
| 00:31 | | ReivZzz is now known as Reiver |
| 00:31 | <@Chalcedon> | morning Reiver |
| 00:31 | <@Chalcedon> | hows the back and knee? |
| 00:31 | < Reiver> | Better. |
| 00:32 | < Reiver> | Classes, however, are less healthy. |
| 00:32 | <@Chalcedon> | excellent? |
| 00:32 | <@Chalcedon> | :s |
| 00:35 | < Reiver> | Well, I missed 'em. |
| 00:35 | < Reiver> | So. |
| 00:35 | < Reiver> | >.< |
| 00:41 | <@Chalcedon> | oops |
| 00:41 | <@Chalcedon> | how's the stew? |
| 00:44 | < Reiver> | dunno |
| 00:44 | | * Reiver will go poke. |
| 00:55 | | * Chalcedon pokes the Reiver |
| 00:58 | < Reiver> | ow? |
| 00:58 | <@Chalcedon> | stew? |
| 01:06 | <@Chalcedon> | it amazes me how long a simple program can be |
| 01:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Depends on what you mean by "simple". |
| 01:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | And what language it's in, and what that /language/ means by simple. |
| 01:07 | <@Chalcedon> | true |
| 01:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | For example, I have a simple 25-line parser in Lua that's two lines in Awk. |
| 01:07 | <@Chalcedon> | simple is a relative term |
| 01:07 | <@Chalcedon> | yikes |
| 01:08 | <@Chalcedon> | but which language is the better one to write it in? |
| 01:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | Most certainly Awk. |
| 01:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | Text processing is the entire reason for its existence. |
| 01:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Here's the code, btw: |
| 01:13 | <@Chalcedon> | but I would imagine that the shortest one isn't necessarily always the best? |
| 01:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | True. Not always. |
| 01:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | 15:36 <ToxicFrog|W`rkn> /^[0-9]+ 1 1 1/ { trials["Response" $1] = 1 } |
| 01:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | 15:37 <ToxicFrog|W`rkn> /^Response([0-9]+)/ { if( $1 in trials ) { print $1 ":\t" $2 } } |
| 01:14 | <@Chalcedon> | yikes. And it even almost makes sense. |
| 01:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways. As I am using this to point out, different languages can have radically different ideas of what is simple. |
| 01:17 | <@Chalcedon> | so I see. |
| 01:17 | <@Chalcedon> | well, I probably won't really understand until I learn a second language |
| 01:17 | <@Chalcedon> | but I think I'm best taking it one at a time |
| 01:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Indeed. |
| 01:25 | <@Chalcedon> | yay! |
| 01:25 | <@Chalcedon> | it works!!! |
| 01:25 | | * Chalcedon dances round in circles |
| 01:30 | | * Chalcedon hands out cookies, chocolate and marshmallows |
| 01:31 | <@Chalcedon> | and I did it almost on my own too. |
| 01:33 | <@Chalcedon> | next addition: print to text file. |
| 01:33 | <@Chalcedon> | but that can wait for later |
| 01:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | What is it? |
| 01:34 | | * ToxicFrog nibbles on the cookies |
| 01:35 | <@Chalcedon> | what are the cookies or the program? |
| 01:36 | <@Chalcedon> | there are two kinds of cookies: choc chip and ginger and walnut |
| 01:38 | <@Chalcedon> | the program is a name generator. Someone on the TSC forum was talking about naming a dnd character while drunk, and someone else mentioned rolling for a name (http://www.techcomedy.com/single/single.php?content_number=59664) so Forj suggested I write a program using the rolling rules. |
| 01:38 | <@Chalcedon> | it generates 20 names. |
| 01:39 | <@Chalcedon> | (most not terribly helpful unfortunately eg: uu A A A from xvecudixim) |
| 01:42 | <@Chalcedon> | it occasionally has moments of brilliance |
| 01:48 | <@Chalcedon> | hrm |
| 01:48 | <@Chalcedon> | filtration......... |
| 01:48 | | * Chalcedon ought to do some work |
| 02:02 | <@Chalcedon> | hrm |
| 02:02 | | * Chalcedon has discovered a bug |
| 02:02 | <@Chalcedon> | for some reason it always uses the same category first |
| 02:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | I like "xvecudixim" |
| 02:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | I may steal it. |
| 02:03 | <@Chalcedon> | feel free. |
| 02:04 | <@Chalcedon> | hrm, lunch. |
| 02:04 | | * Chalcedon will fix bugs later |
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| 08:06 | <@Chalcedon> | Forj has Reiver put down |
| 08:06 | <@Chalcedon> | inhumanely |
| 08:06 | | * Reiver has Forj taken out the back and buried. Death optional. |
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| 22:40 | <@Chalcedon> | is there a more efficient way of doing: "if x = this, do this, elseif x = this do that, else do the other" (eg if one has lots of elseifs) |
| 22:43 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Switch(), in languages that support it. |
| 22:43 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Or function tables, in languages that support /those/. |
| 22:43 | <@TheWatcher[afk]> | python does not have switch, alas |
| 22:43 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Does it have functions as first-class values? |
| 22:43 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | And sparse or associative arrays? |
| 22:44 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I'm thinking you can do something like functable[x](...) |
| 22:44 | | * Chalcedon investigates function tables |
| 22:45 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | By "function table", I mean an array, associative array, hashmap, whatever, where the values are functions. |
| 22:45 | <@TheWatcher[afk]> | http://www.wellho.net/resources/ex.php4?item=y103/python_switch_case |
| 22:45 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | So you use x as an index into the table, then call that function. |
| 22:45 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Aah yes. Python calls them 'dictionaries'. |
| 22:46 | <@TheWatcher[afk]> | Anyway, really to bed now |
| 22:46 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | TW's link shows what I as walking about. |
| 22:46 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | *talking. |
| 22:46 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | However, I must contend that this is not "doing it better". Function tables and switches serve different purposes, the fact that they can be bludgeoned into behaving like each other is incidental. |
| 22:48 | <@Chalcedon> | hrm |
| 22:50 | | * Chalcedon wonders if a dictionary is going to improve the situation |
| 22:50 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | What is the situation? |
| 22:52 | <@Chalcedon> | I have 4 lots of if/elif/else, each of which has it's own set of if/elif/else (about 6 or 7 options in that one) |
| 22:52 | <@Chalcedon> | I'm wondering if it's going to make things easier to find and fix later if its all together. |
| 22:53 | <@Chalcedon> | or would it be better programming practice to put it in a dictionary |
| 22:53 | <@Chalcedon> | *? |
| 22:56 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Hard to say without knowing more. |
| 22:56 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | But nested ifelseif structures are hell. |
| 22:56 | | * Chalcedon is discovering this |
| 22:57 | <@Chalcedon> | you play Dnd TF? |
| 23:02 | < ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I used to. Then I realized it wasn't fun and switched to Paranoia. |
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| 23:08 | <@Chalcedon> | I'm drawing up a treasure table |
| 23:08 | <@Chalcedon> | -er- generator. |
| 23:09 | <@Chalcedon> | but you know the ones I mean 1-25 roll on this table for gems, roll for value, pick an item from the list.... |
| 23:11 | <@Chalcedon> | thanks for the help anyway :) |
| 23:11 | <@Chalcedon> | I shall ponder |
| 23:45 | | * Chalcedon suspects that she is stuck with nested ifelseif |
| 23:48 | < ReivZzz> | Python doesn't have case/switches. |
| 23:48 | < ReivZzz> | But it does have dictionaries... |
| 23:49 | | * Chalcedon has investigated dictionary |
| 23:49 | <@Chalcedon> | ReivZzz CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:49 | < ReivZzz> | Oh right. |
| 23:49 | | * ReivZzz flees. |
| 23:49 | <@Chalcedon> | *dictionaries |
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| --- Log closed Fri Aug 04 00:00:01 2006 |