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| --- Day changed Mon Dec 12 2011 |
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| 00:01 | < McMartin> | There are, hm |
| 00:01 | < McMartin> | Two idiolects, at least |
| 00:01 | <@Namegduf> | If you really want to, that's what you'd need to do, but I don't know of any standard set of instructions for making Python do that. |
| 00:01 | < McMartin> | I know Ophis ran into some distro trouble because of this |
| 00:01 | < McMartin> | YOu had people who wanted it to go into the LSB style places and you wanted the people who wanted someting they could shove in their home directory and just let it go |
| 00:01 | <@Namegduf> | Yeah; I'm assuming this will never go into LSB-style places anyway |
| 00:02 | <@Namegduf> | Because it's not being installed through package management |
| 00:02 | <@Namegduf> | If it was, then it would just need to depend on Python and bang. |
| 00:02 | <@Tarinaky> | Just document the dependencies and let the Gods recognise their own :) |
| 00:03 | < McMartin> | Yeah, in this case it was distutils vs shell script that sets PYTHONPATH to its own directory and such |
| 00:03 | <@Namegduf> | That's really the best option for making it work more smoothly than just a listed dependency. Build up a bunch of packages for common distros and let their individual dependency systems deal with dependencies. |
| 00:04 | <@Tarinaky> | If you want to make it 'just work' you need to target a specific distro and work on a package just for that distro. |
| 00:04 | <@Tarinaky> | But most of that is just listing the dependancies in whatever syntax the package maker recognises. |
| 00:05 | <@Namegduf> | Well, a set of distros. You can roll any number of packages and the only extra things they need are dependency lists, yeah. |
| 00:05 | <@Namegduf> | But tarball-distributed Python programs are entirely usable anyway in general. |
| 00:06 | <@Namegduf> | "Needs Python X.Y", virtually everyone doesn't need to do anything and those few who do install it from package management themselves. |
| 00:06 | <@Namegduf> | (Well, unless X.Y is specific rather than a range. That could be painful.) |
| 00:06 | <@Tarinaky> | The Arch Linux users have to drag their feet and edit the shebangs to python2 but that's about it :) |
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| 01:05 | < gnolam> | Blargh. |
| 01:14 | < Alek> | DeepThought. |
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| 06:16 | < cpux> | Anyway, it's 1:15. Here's Mumford & Sons to help you IT workers working at this crazy hour. http://youtu.be/3KkUeRPjc-Y |
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| 10:31 | | * TheWatcher bleghs, tries to decide between fully AJAXing this web interface, or just going with simple dynamic pages with a little AJAX as needed in one place |
| 10:32 | < Tamber> | Use it where it's needed, lest you sink into the pit of "Ooh, shiny!" |
| 10:34 | < Tamber> | :) |
| 10:34 | | * Tamber picks an "only" off the floor, dusts it off and reinserts into that sentence. |
| 10:35 | < McMartin> | But do use it where it's needed so as to not continuously reload gobs of random shit that hasn't changed. |
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| --- Log closed Mon Dec 12 11:49:37 2011 |
| --- Log opened Mon Dec 12 11:49:46 2011 |
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| --- Log opened Mon Dec 12 12:02:58 2011 |
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| 15:01 | < iospace> | screen is one of the most glorious utilities known to man |
| 15:03 | < AnnoDomini> | Yes. |
| 15:26 | < sshine_> | I never changed to tmux although I hear it's cool. |
| 15:27 | < iospace> | tmux? |
| 15:27 | < sshine_> | it's a screen clone. |
| 15:27 | < iospace> | ah |
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| 15:34 | < iospace> | i'm just used to screen -shrugs- |
| 15:51 | < iospace> | this has got to be the most... finacky thinkg ever |
| 15:51 | < iospace> | *thing |
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| 16:57 | | * gnolam stabs Linux. |
| 16:57 | | * Tamber gets a mop. |
| 17:00 | < gnolam> | Naturally, there's no os.startfile(). Because opening a file in the user's preferred application would just be too easy. |
| 17:03 | < Tamber> | Wait, so you're stabbing Linux for something in python? Or am I missing something? (Most likely) |
| 17:04 | < gnolam> | Yes. |
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| 17:04 | < Tamber> | Okay. Which one? ;) |
| 17:06 | < TheWatcher> | All of them?~ |
| 17:08 | | * gnolam simply disables help in Linux. |
| 17:08 | < iospace> | oh linux |
| 17:09 | < iospace> | how you annoy me so -_- |
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| 17:10 | < gnolam> | (Because any workaround is sure to cause even worse headaches) |
| 17:12 | < iospace> | =P |
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| 17:14 | < Tamber> | gnolam, so... if you were doing this on (say) BSD, you wouldn't have this problem? (i.e. does any other platform have an os.startfile that does what you expect?) |
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| 17:22 | < gnolam> | I don't distinguish between BSD and Linux. Same shit, different name/license. :P |
| 17:22 | < TheWatcher> | Tamber: "Availability: Windows." |
| 17:22 | < Tamber> | ...ah. |
| 17:23 | < Tamber> | Same shit being "It ain't Windows", then? :p |
| 17:23 | < TheWatcher> | Apparently |
| 17:23 | | * Tamber throws ReactOS at gnolam |
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| 18:13 | < gnolam> | Eh, if OS X had been a concern at all I could've stuck a one-line workaround in there (why it isn't available in Python itself is strange, though). |
| 18:13 | < gnolam> | Linux? Won't even bother looking up the ten gazillion mutually-incompatible ways to attempt it. |
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| 18:50 | <@Namegduf> | This sounds more like a failure of the Python runtime than of Linux. |
| 18:51 | <@Namegduf> | There are absolutely ways it could open stuff with a default program in Linux. |
| 18:51 | <@Namegduf> | It just doesn't. |
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| 20:52 | < McMartin> | Namegduf: As of GNOME 3 I haven't been able to get gnome-open to work; do you know if that's changed to something else? |
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| 21:58 | <@Namegduf> | McMartin: xdg-open is much more standard |
| 21:58 | <@Namegduf> | http://portland.freedesktop.org/xdg-utils-1.0/xdg-open.html |
| 21:59 | <@Namegduf> | Maybe GNOME 3 scrapped their redundant thing. |
| 22:00 | < McMartin> | Oh hey, there it is |
| 22:00 | < McMartin> | Rage at Fedora 15 averted |
| 22:01 | <@Namegduf> | Apparently that's what Chromium relies on. |
| 22:01 | <@Namegduf> | It's present on my XFCE system; trying to confirm presence on KDE as well. |
| 22:02 | < McMartin> | I can see why this is a windows-only thing in Python; though |
| 22:02 | <@Namegduf> | But it seems safe to assume. |
| 22:02 | < McMartin> | These are executables; you can start them with os.subprocess. |
| 22:02 | < McMartin> | In Windows, it's a system call (ShellExecuteEx). |
| 22:02 | < McMartin> | There's a commandline thing to do it - "start" - but start isn't a program and you can't start it with a "spawn subprocess" call. |
| 22:03 | < McMartin> | While we're at it, the OS X one is named "open", which is something completely different in all my Linux machines. |
| 22:03 | < McMartin> | Fun for the whole family. |
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