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| 01:02 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Anybody figured out how that new camera works? The one that can change the focus after you take the picture? |
| 01:03 | <@Derakon> | Rhamph: IIRC it has a crapton of small sensors instead of one big one. |
| 01:03 | | * McMartin gets cpuid to stop lying, finally. |
| 01:04 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Derakon: something more than that. A normal sensor is an array of individual pixels |
| 01:05 | < gnolam> | Light field camera? |
| 01:05 | < Rhamphoryncus> | gnolam: yes, that |
| 01:06 | <@Derakon> | Rhamph: yeah, but there would be significant parallax between the sensors in this one, I think. |
| 01:06 | <@Derakon> | I should probably go reread the design before spouting any potentially-spurious nonsense. |
| 01:07 | <@McMartin> | What Derakon describes is *also* awesome and lets you do things like focus through apparently opaque objects. |
| 01:07 | <@McMartin> | The Stanford Frankencamera did that a few years back. |
| 01:10 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Hrm |
| 01:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | So it seems that, rather than picking one focus, it's intentionally picking none, and then from the accumulated values for each pixel it can derive what it would have been if it was focused |
| 01:15 | < Rhamphoryncus> | hrm microlens array. That sounds like a key part of it |
| 01:16 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Which lets them segment the sensor into distinct, physically offset focal points |
| 01:16 | < Alek> | ... |
| 01:16 | < Alek> | my brain hurts thinking about this. |
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| 01:17 | | * Alek is reminded of reading about a camera, some time back, that could be used to photograph an area, using long exposure, and do it in such a way that moving objects would NOT be left on the print, only static ones. |
| 01:18 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Alek: that sounds pretty easy |
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| 11:46 | < TheWatcher> | .... I just know I'm going to regret this |
| 11:46 | < kwsn> | hm? |
| 11:47 | < TheWatcher> | Having to develop a plugin for one of my systems. Easy enough. Except that, because of Security Issues it can only actually be tested on the live server. |
| 11:47 | | * kwsn blinks |
| 11:48 | < TheWatcher> | (it pulls data from the student records system. This is, as you might expect, rather locked down) |
| 11:48 | < kwsn> | heh |
| 11:49 | < TheWatcher> | (especially as this a CS department we're talking about, and you always get a few wannabe hackers in there...) |
| 11:49 | < kwsn> | yeah |
| 12:03 | < gnolam> | Ow |
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| 12:07 | < TheWatcher> | Thankfully, something broken in this plugin shouldn't break anything else in the system, but still >.< |
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| 12:59 | <@jerith> | TheWatcher: Don't you have a test server with fake data that you can test against? |
| 12:59 | <@jerith> | Or a locked-down test system on your side that you can hit the prod record system from? |
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| 13:09 | < TheWatcher> | jerith: no, for both >.< |
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| 13:10 | <@jerith> | That's exciting. |
| 13:10 | < TheWatcher> | That's one way to describe it |
| 13:15 | < gnolam> | In that "may you live in interesting times" way. |
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| 18:55 | | * Derakon eyes his computer, which is being worked hard enough that the music's actually skipping. O_o |
| 18:55 | < McMartin> | yay parallel make~ |
| 18:56 | < Derakon> | Heh, no, testing a postprocessor. |
| 18:56 | < Derakon> | Which is actually singlethreaded, so I guess that iTunes just got unlucky enough to be on the wrong core. |
| 18:56 | < Derakon> | (Though it is embarassingly parallel~) |
| 18:56 | < Derakon> | (Primarily limited by hard drive speed though) |
| 19:01 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody[zZz] |
| 19:02 | < Derakon> | ...okay. Adding a progress dialog provoked a bus error. That's...novel. |
| 19:02 | < McMartin> | Bus error = Null POinter Exception |
| 19:02 | < kwsn> | Derakon: novel or novell? |
| 19:02 | < kwsn> | :P |
| 19:02 | < Derakon> | Yeah, but progress dialogs aren't exactly complicated and they're self-contained. |
| 19:02 | < Derakon> | So I don't see why this broke. |
| 19:03 | <@jerith> | Maybe it tickled a bug elsewhere? |
| 19:03 | <@jerith> | Is it looking at something that nothing else looks at? |
| 19:03 | < Derakon> | Okay, this time I got this error right before crashing: "malloc: *** error for object 0x196799f0: incorrect checksum for freed object - object was probably modified after being freed." |
| 19:03 | < Derakon> | So I'd guess I screwed up and aliased a name somewhere or something. |
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| 22:41 | < Derakon> | ...oh, right, that's why that dialog wouldn't work. |
| 22:41 | < Derakon> | Can't modify dialogs in WX unless you're in the main thread. |
| 22:44 | < Derakon> | http://www.neverworkintheory.org/?p=197 |
| 22:44 | < Derakon> | A study was done comparing how well newbies could program in Perl vs. in a language with semi-randomly-designed syntax. |
| 22:48 | < TheWatcher> | Given just a glance at the first comment, I suspect I shouldn't read that, or I'm going to be writing Rather Unfriendly Emails to the study's authors. |
| 22:48 | < Derakon> | The lead author wrote a response: http://www.neverworkintheory.org/?p=211 |
| 22:50 | < TheWatcher> | If that's the quality of his response, I really don't want to read the study~ |
| 22:51 | < Derakon> | I mostly thought the concept of the study was amusing. |
| 22:53 | < Derakon> | Oh hey, TW, d'you think a scrollsaw would be able to handle 4/4 maple? |
| 22:53 | < Derakon> | (That is, ~.75" / 2cm) |
| 22:53 | < TheWatcher> | *shrug* I'm probably just edgy because I'm fighting css, which always irritates me. But I'm also getting kinda sick of the attitude a lot of 'professionals' have towards perl, rather than the idiots who program it badly (which you can do in any damned language) |
| 22:54 | | * Derakon nods. |
| 22:56 | < TheWatcher> | I think it should handle it, although do you have a variable speed one? |
| 22:56 | <@jerith> | TheWatcher: I think a lot of the hostility comes from misunderstanding. |
| 22:57 | <@jerith> | Perl is a sysadmin's tool, not a programmer's language. |
| 22:58 | < TheWatcher> | Dera: if you do, you probably want to drop the speed down pretty low, or you might start to get burning. |
| 22:59 | < Derakon> | Roger that. |
| 22:59 | < Derakon> | I haven't actually tried the scrollsaw out yet; it's one my dad bought, oh, fifteen years ago? |
| 22:59 | < Derakon> | Which he's hardly ever used so he loaned to me. |
| 23:00 | < TheWatcher> | (and be really careful not to push on the blade, let it do the work) |
| 23:00 | < Derakon> | With the idea being I could use it to make toys for my niece and nephew...but I'd rather use maple than pine if possibel. |
| 23:00 | < Derakon> | Er, possible. |
| 23:00 | < Derakon> | And yeah, pushing is bad. I know that. :) |
| 23:01 | | * sshine finds debugging erlang code slightly unusual |
| 23:02 | < kwsn> | i've never worked with erlang |
| 23:02 | | * jerith hasn't hacked in Erlang in far too long. |
| 23:27 | < Derakon> | Since I started working on this module on the 17th, I've made 26 checkins totalling 1508 added or modified lines. Sheesh. |
| 23:28 | < Derakon> | (That's comparing before the first checkin to after the last one, not the per-checkin delta, which would be much, much higher). |
| 23:29 | < sshine> | my mapreduce framework works! except for stop() which generates an exception. |
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| 23:42 | < ToxicFrog> | I haven't used Erlang since my distributed systems cours.e |
| 23:42 | < ToxicFrog> | I'm still unclear why they let me use it. |
| 23:43 | < ToxicFrog> | It's like using Lisp for the intro to data structures linked list assignment~ |
| 23:43 | < McMartin> | Well |
| 23:43 | < McMartin> | If you use improper lists to build a proper doubly-linked list... >_> |
| 23:46 | < sshine> | ToxicFrog, hehe. |
| 23:46 | < sshine> | ToxicFrog, "all these classical challenges are trivially solved by language primitives. tada." |
| 23:48 | < McMartin> | "Please stop using languages that are shit at the problems you are trying to solve" |
| 23:48 | < McMartin> | "BUT IF I DON'T GET BUS ERRORS EVERY TIME I HAVE A DIFFERENT THREAD INTERLEAVING I'M NOT REALLY PROGRAMMING" |
| 23:51 | < ToxicFrog> | McMartin: this is my objection to Every Introductory Programming Course Ever in one sentence >.< |
| 23:52 | < McMartin> | Hey, my intro class at Berkeley was in Scheme >_> |
| 23:52 | < McMartin> | It was designed exactly to crush the souls of the people who came in thinking both my quote in caps above and that they were hot shit |
| 23:53 | < ToxicFrog> | Well, ok, almost every |
| 23:53 | < ToxicFrog> | Berkely and MIT both get passes |
| 23:53 | < ToxicFrog> | Everywhere else I know anything about the intro CS courses at (including U of G) fails hard. |
| 23:53 | < McMartin> | Yeah, Stanford did not succeed |
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