| --- Log opened Wed Apr 27 00:00:14 2011 |
| 00:02 | | * Vornicus dons a green jumpsuit, and jogs toward the channel shouting that. |
| 00:41 | | * ToxicFrog shoots Vorn from a safe distance |
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| 04:04 | < ToxicFrog> | Ok, I think this thing may actually be done. |
| 04:04 | < ToxicFrog> | Not in the "release ready" sense but in the "I can totally use it for things" sense. |
| 04:21 | < Vornicus> | What's This Thing? |
| 04:26 | < ToxicFrog> | My LP post generator. |
| 04:26 | < ToxicFrog> | It's an almost-completely-rewritten version of the thing I used for LP Septerra Core. |
| 04:26 | < ToxicFrog> | HTML output is now much more robust and it can auto-upload images to lpix.org. |
| 04:31 | | cpux is now known as shade_of_cpux |
| 04:35 | < Vornicus> | yay |
| 04:37 | < McMartin> | Are you running an LP? |
| 04:38 | < McMartin> | Ha ha |
| 04:38 | | * McMartin checks the Archive |
| 04:38 | < McMartin> | "In the future, Let's Plays are going to be a recognized art form, and Uplink will be cited as one of the earliest LPs to take on the burden of telling a compelling story emergent through gameplay." |
| 04:38 | < McMartin> | "Also? Instead of water, fountains will pump out soothing, life-sustaining cool ranch dipping sauce." |
| 04:40 | < ToxicFrog> | McMartin: I still have Let's Play {Strike Force Centauri,System Shock} on the back burner, but as those will both be VLPs this software won't be terribly useful for them. |
| 04:41 | < ToxicFrog> | This is more "I've been meaning to polish this up and release it for other people to use for ages, and it makes creating SSLPs orders of magnitude easier, so hopefully some people will find it useful" |
| 04:50 | < ToxicFrog> | Also, I probably will be doing another SSLP at some point; I've considered Ultima Underworld, Odium, and Betrayal at Krondor for that. |
| 04:55 | < Vornicus> | I still need to play UUW and BaK |
| 04:55 | | * Vornicus ...checks GoG |
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| 04:56 | < Vornicus> | has BaK and BaA, but not UUW |
| 04:58 | | * Vornicus eyes, does some checking. |
| 04:59 | < Vornicus> | ...no, that'd be EA. bah. |
| 05:00 | < ToxicFrog> | Yeah. |
| 05:00 | < Vornicus> | That would have been so funny though. |
| 05:00 | < ToxicFrog> | There's a lot of really good games EA is squatting on, including Everything By Origin and Everything By Looking Glass (That Isn't Thief) |
| 05:01 | < ToxicFrog> | That said, I can hook you up with pegleg copies~ |
| 05:01 | < ToxicFrog> | (honestly, though, one of the things that makes UUW well suited for an LP is that it has a really bad UI) |
| 05:01 | < Vornicus> | At some point here I should really like triple the size of my windows partition. |
| 05:02 | < ToxicFrog> | (BaK, on the other hand, just rocks) |
| 05:02 | < ToxicFrog> | (I've never played BiA |
| 05:04 | | * Vornicus tries some other possibilities. Zork is Activision, so no... |
| 05:10 | < ToxicFrog> | Thinking of doing an LP, or just browsing GOG? |
| 05:13 | < Vornicus> | Wondering what game "made you go to the underworld" |
| 05:17 | < Vornicus> | but it's a fruitless quest because I don't know who makes what and I haven't found a list of games published by atari and/or the things it absorbed. |
| 05:24 | < ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 05:25 | < ToxicFrog> | Frankly, none of these games interest me as much as the 1-3 new publishers GOG will supposedly be announcing later this summer. |
| 05:26 | < Vornicus> | true |
| 05:28 | < Tarinaky> | Eugh. Is there an easy way to work out what ip address a box on my network is without getting out of bed and walking to it? |
| 05:29 | < Tarinaky> | Baring in mind there are only three things on the network and I know the ip addresses of two of them. |
| 05:29 | < Reiver> | ToxicFrog: Write your game table! |
| 05:29 | < Vornicus> | tarinaky: ping 192.168.1.255 |
| 05:30 | < Reiver> | And don't forget to find an elegant background texture that reminds us of soothing pool table felt~ |
| 05:30 | < Vornicus> | Reiver: #070 |
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| 05:30 | | * Reiver eyes Vorn. |
| 05:30 | < Reiver> | That's... green, innit |
| 05:30 | < Vornicus> | Tarinaky: (of course, you should modify that to match your subnet) |
| 05:30 | < Vornicus> | It's green. |
| 05:31 | < Tarinaky> | I tried a broadcast ping. |
| 05:31 | < Tarinaky> | Nothing responded. |
| 05:31 | < Vornicus> | Bah. grumpy router. |
| 05:31 | < Tarinaky> | In the end I got out of bed. |
| 05:31 | < Reiver> | Most routers don't |
| 05:33 | < Tarinaky> | Right. Time to learn how to draw. |
| 05:47 | < ToxicFrog> | Reiver: I'm trapped under the refactor tractor right now :( |
| 05:53 | < Reiver> | NEIN |
| 05:53 | | * Reiver affixes plow, puts TF to work |
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| 06:10 | < Tarinaky> | I hate Java. I've been waiting for this damn app to load to over10 bloody minutes. |
| 06:10 | | * Tarinaky grumbles. |
| 06:10 | < Reiver> | You've done something wrong, then |
| 06:11 | < Tarinaky> | I've done nothing. It's not my app. |
| 06:11 | < Rikushadow5> | Where's the app to alter the fabric of the universe? |
| 06:11 | < Rikushadow5> | I am told there was an app for everything. |
| 06:12 | < Rikushadow5> | Also, I have my Java exam on Tuesday. I will likely fail. |
| 06:12 | < Rikushadow5> | The fact that old exams for Computer Science are from when C++ was being taught as "Computer Science" |
| 06:12 | < Rikushadow5> | ...is not helping whatsoever. |
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| 06:20 | | * Tarinaky swears profusely. |
| 06:39 | < Rikushadow5> | TARINAKY, SAVE ME. |
| 06:40 | | * Rikushadow5 dies from exam anxiety |
| 06:50 | | * Tarinaky looks down and says "No." |
| 06:51 | < Tarinaky> | </Rorschach> |
| 06:57 | < Rikushadow5> | Okay, that was an awesome refrence, and I've never even seen Watchmen. |
| 06:58 | < Tarinaky> | Have you read it? |
| 07:00 | < Rikushadow5> | Sadly, no. |
| 07:02 | < Tarinaky> | The ending was a little weak in the comic book but it's well worth a read. |
| 07:02 | < Tarinaky> | Unfortunately when I saw the film I wasn't really able to sit and watch it for reasons I won't go into. |
| 07:10 | < Alek> | the ending in the book was rather darker than perhaps most people expect of a comic book. |
| 07:10 | < Tarinaky> | The ending was anticlimatic. |
| 07:10 | < Tarinaky> | That was my objection. |
| 07:11 | < Tarinaky> | It just didn't work in terms of pacing. |
| 07:13 | < Alek> | mm. I can see where you could say that. |
| 07:13 | < Alek> | personally, I thought it was a jarring, unsettling sort of end... a more fitting finish to a book meant to upset our conceptions of comic books and superheroes. |
| 07:14 | < Tarinaky> | Oh sure. |
| 07:14 | < Tarinaky> | It worked on that level. |
| 07:14 | < Tarinaky> | On purely artistic merits it worked. |
| 07:14 | < Tarinaky> | It just didn't work on a prose level. |
| 07:14 | < Tarinaky> | If that makes sense. |
| 07:15 | < Tarinaky> | Have you read No Hero Alek? |
| 07:16 | < Tarinaky> | Similar sort of subversion of our expectations of Super Heroes except the ending involves galleons of blood and gore. |
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| 07:28 | < Alek> | doubt I have... |
| 07:28 | | * Tarinaky snickers. |
| 07:28 | < Tarinaky> | Someone posted a link on facebook to that story about the Tunbridge Wells Ninja/Vigilante. |
| 07:28 | < Tarinaky> | So I quoted the ending of Dark Knights. |
| 07:28 | < Tarinaky> | *Knight |
| 07:28 | < Tarinaky> | He's the hero Tunbridge Wells deserves... but not the one it needs right now :p |
| 07:29 | < Alek> | nope. haven't read it. |
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| 14:49 | < gnolam> | Hmm. |
| 14:50 | < gnolam> | Either spam has decreased by an order of magnitude, or Gmail's block lists have become a lot better. |
| 14:50 | < Tarinaky> | Well it's not like new countries are being created and assigned tlds to block indescriminately~ |
| 14:51 | < gnolam> | It's gone down from ~300 mails in my spam folder to ~50. |
| 14:52 | < Tarinaky> | I take it this is a different spam folder to gmail's. |
| 14:53 | < gnolam> | ? |
| 14:53 | < EvilDarkLord> | I think it's gone down a bit over time. I have 500 from the last 30 days now, I used to have ~1000. |
| 14:54 | < Tarinaky> | gmail has a junk folder. |
| 14:55 | < Tarinaky> | Where its Spam filter puts stuff. |
| 14:55 | < Tarinaky> | So I assume by Spam folder you mean a -local- Spam filter. |
| 15:07 | < gnolam> | By "spam folder" I mean the folder named "Spam", which is where spam that's actually been delivered (i.e. weren't blocked) to gmail but failed the filters ends up. |
| 15:08 | < gnolam> | +grammar |
| 15:08 | | * TheWatcher checks |
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| 15:09 | < gnolam> | Useful as a measure of the current spam level in the world, as it's a running sum over the last 30 days. |
| 15:09 | < TheWatcher> | huh, it has dropped - I've only had just over 14200 550s in my mail log today, normally I'd be up in the 20ks by now. |
| 15:10 | | * Tarinaky nosecolas. |
| 15:10 | < Tarinaky> | What? |
| 15:10 | < Tarinaky> | How come you get so much spam? |
| 15:10 | | * Tarinaky feels ignored. |
| 15:11 | < Tarinaky> | Last week I got 15. |
| 15:14 | < TheWatcher> | I note that those are mails going to unknown recipients on my server, which get rejected. Over the last 3 days I've had 1118 spam mails to valid addresses that my procmail rules and spamassassin haven't outright binned. |
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| 19:59 | < gnolam> | Fucking validators, how do they work? |
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| 20:13 | < ToxicFrog> | <Tarinaky> Last week I got 15. |
| 20:13 | < ToxicFrog> | Tarinaky: I hate you |
| 20:19 | < Vornucopia> | 15 what? |
| 20:29 | < McMartin> | Spams |
| 20:30 | < Vornucopia> | Ah. I appear to have received 61 in the 7-day period from april 20-26. |
| 20:32 | < Vornucopia> | Arg. Examples of the prime factorization process are a paiiiiiin |
| 20:53 | | * Vornucopia thinks he's figured it out. |
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| 22:16 | | * TheWatcher readsup |
| 22:16 | < TheWatcher> | gnolam: kinda like voyeurs, but more analytical and judgemental. |
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| 22:17 | | * gnolam stabs wxPython's documentation with a spoon. |
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| 22:21 | < Derakon> | So we need to update one of our apps to use 64-bit Python (to increase the memory allocation ceiling above the pathetic 2GB we're currently getting). |
| 22:21 | < Derakon> | As part of this, I'm getting to dig into the massive clusterfuck Python libraries that my Illustrious Precursor created. |
| 22:21 | < TheWatcher> | |
| 22:21 | < TheWatcher> | |
| 22:21 | < Derakon> | He calls these libraries "Priithon" by allusion to Priism, the C analysis program that we use elsewhere. |
| 22:22 | < Derakon> | So by example, the code in our app does "from Priithon.all import Y" and then later "Y.view(array)". |
| 22:22 | < Derakon> | So first I find out that "all" is the all.py file which imports everything else in Priithon just in case you need it. |
| 22:23 | < Derakon> | Then that "Y" means "usefulX", and "usefulX" in fact does nothing of import beyond "from usefulX2 import *" (which stuffs everything in usefulX2's namespace into usefulX's namespace). |
| 22:23 | | * TheWatcher makes a note for the future: VirtualBox, Cygwin, and PuTTY really don't seem to get on too well |
| 22:23 | < Derakon> | So I open up usefulX2.py and search for "def view". It doesn't exist. There's viewInViewer, viewInViewer2, and vview, but not view. |
| 22:23 | < Derakon> | Eventually I find that "view" is defined via "from splitND import run as view". |
| 22:24 | | * TheWatcher hands Derakon the vodka, pistol, and bullet |
| 22:24 | < Derakon> | Amazingly enough, splitND.py actually contains a "run" function. |
| 22:25 | < Derakon> | TW: oh, I don't want him to be drunk when he receives his karma payback~ |
| 22:25 | | * gnolam patpats Derakon. |
| 22:26 | < celticminstrel> | Wow. |
| 22:27 | < celticminstrel> | That's kinda incredible. |
| 22:27 | < TheWatcher> | Derakon: oh, the vodka is for you, to steady your hand~ |
| 22:28 | < Derakon> | Ah. |
| 22:34 | < McMartin> | TW: What are you trying to do that mixes VBox and PuTTY? |
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| 22:38 | < Derakon> | CM: I take it you aren't familiar with Sebastian Haase, then. |
| 22:38 | < Derakon> | Short version: don't hire him to program for you. |
| 22:38 | < celticminstrel> | I've heard you ranting about him periodically. |
| 22:38 | < TheWatcher> | I'm in windows on Helios, with VBox set up with a linux (gentoo) guest, in windows I have cygwin Xwin running so I can export the display from daedalus, with PuTTY providing the X11 tunnel from daedalus to helios. For some reason, switching from VBox to any PuTTY term results in spurious ctrl characters whenever I press a key, and in cygwin windows too |
| 22:39 | < celticminstrel> | Whee, Eclipse. |
| 22:40 | < McMartin> | HELIOS HAS SPOKEN. |
| 22:40 | < TheWatcher> | (the guest system has the hostname morpheus >.>) |
| 22:40 | < McMartin> | That actually sounds like Windows is fucking up the key event stream |
| 22:40 | < McMartin> | (Shouldn't the "guest" be named JC~) |
| 22:40 | < TheWatcher> | (snerk, point) |
| 22:41 | < McMartin> | By "spurious control" do you mean "I hit A and get ^A"? |
| 22:41 | < TheWatcher> | Yeah |
| 22:41 | < TheWatcher> | Which is fun! |
| 22:41 | < McMartin> | Yeah, that sounds a *lot* like that |
| 22:41 | < McMartin> | How are you doing the switch? |
| 22:42 | < TheWatcher> | Moving the mouse, clicking in other window - I have mouse integration on |
| 22:42 | < McMartin> | Huh. |
| 22:43 | < McMartin> | I'm used to this happening with the Alt key in VMware; alt-tabbing *into* a guest when the MKS driver is enabled means the host gets the keydown and the guest gets the key-up |
| 22:43 | < McMartin> | Hilarity ensues |
| 22:43 | < McMartin> | This sounds *like* that, but I can't see a mechanism that would produce it |
| 22:43 | < TheWatcher> | Me neither; I'm going to try and narrow it down as I use it, though. |
| 22:50 | | * TheWatcher randomly modified /etc/conf.d/hostname to contain HOSTNAME="jcd" ~ |
| 22:51 | < McMartin> | yay~ |
| 22:51 | < Derakon> | "d"? |
| 22:51 | < McMartin> | Denton. |
| 22:51 | < Derakon> | ...so, wait, what does the JC stand for then? |
| 22:51 | < Derakon> | Oh, Deus Ex. |
| 22:51 | < Derakon> | (/me fist-daps Google) |
| 22:52 | < McMartin> | Actually, wait. Helios, Daedalus, Icarus. Who was Morpheus? |
| 22:53 | < Rikushadow5> | God of Dreams |
| 22:53 | < McMartin> | In the context of Deus Ex. |
| 22:54 | < Rikushadow5> | Don't know. I don't play Deus Ex. |
| 22:54 | < McMartin> | Wait, shit. |
| 22:54 | < McMartin> | TW |
| 22:54 | < McMartin> | What's your VBox Host Key |
| 22:54 | < McMartin> | Is it, by any chance, Right Control. |
| 22:54 | < TheWatcher> | Yeah |
| 22:54 | < McMartin> | That might be the mechanism |
| 22:54 | < Rikushadow5> | But in Greek Mythology, Morpheus was the God of Dreams. |
| 22:54 | < McMartin> | Sure |
| 22:55 | < TheWatcher> | I wondered, I might change it to something like scroll lock to see if it helps. |
| 22:55 | < McMartin> | But the computer naming scheme is after AIs or AI/human hybrids in Deus Ex. |
| 22:56 | < TheWatcher> | (and I actually have my laptop's hostname set to Morpheus, as it's usually and isolated system >.>) |
| 22:56 | < TheWatcher> | *an |
| 23:01 | < TheWatcher> | Idly McM, thanks for mentioning VBox over in #fleet, I've been meaning to poke at a virtual machine to do some testing, and never got around to looking at them until today |
| 23:01 | < McMartin> | No worries |
| 23:01 | < McMartin> | As I think I've noted before, I am literally paid to do this stuff |
| 23:02 | | * Derakon twitches gently. |
| 23:02 | < McMartin> | I should really get back up to speed with VBox, really; I haven't looked at it since Oracle took over Sun, and Oracle seems to have massively injected resources in. |
| 23:02 | < Derakon> | The "F" module, a.k.a. fftfuncs.py, has a function zeroArrF to wrap around another function zeroArr that just wraps around numpy.zeros. |
| 23:02 | < TheWatcher> | .... |
| 23:03 | < Derakon> | Note the stunning lack of anything referring to fast Fourier transforms, as you might naively assume based on the filename. |
| 23:03 | < McMartin> | zeroArr sounds like an antipiracy measure. |
| 23:04 | < TheWatcher> | I think it's time we started a fund to bring about the untimely demise of Mr Haase~ |
| 23:06 | | * gnolam giggles. |
| 23:08 | < Derakon> | (In fact, the only use of the F module is as shorthand for instantiating blank arrays. WTG there, buddy) |
| 23:09 | < McMartin> | I think that goes from WTG into WTF and/or GG. |
| 23:12 | < Derakon> | ...this was disorientating: "from Priithon.all import py". |
| 23:13 | < McMartin> | o_O |
| 23:13 | < Derakon> | Which appears to be what we're using for the in-app Python REPL. |
| 23:13 | < McMartin> | That, uh, may even be the way to do it |
| 23:13 | < McMartin> | But still, o_O |
| 23:13 | < Derakon> | No, it's a special package that we're using. |
| 23:14 | < Derakon> | PyCrust. Which, for some reason, he put into the "py" package. |
| 23:14 | < Derakon> | I do have to admit that having an in-app REPL is quite handy. |
| 23:36 | | * McMartin finds he must install Perl. |
| 23:39 | | * McMartin then finds he already did but had forgotten where. |
| 23:48 | | * Derakon ponders buying a new Mac Pro even though they're due for a refresh. |
| 23:48 | < Derakon> | Problem being that best guess is the refresh will be early 2012. |
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| 23:59 | | * McMartin applies 8 cores to the process of compiling his stuff. |
| 23:59 | < McMartin> | This is quite a bit faster than my usual experience. |
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