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| 00:09 | < Vornicus> | Hell hath no sadness like a puppy scorned. |
| 00:10 | <@Chalcedon> | :( |
| 00:10 | | * Chalcedon gives Vorn and his puppy cookies |
| 00:11 | < Vornicus> | Actually that's half the problem. Noni the office dog (she sneezes in greeting) wants food, and it isn't time for that for another 45 minutes. |
| 00:14 | | * jerith cuddles the Noni. |
| 00:15 | <@jerith> | The one photo I've seen of Noni implies that she's a little bigger than "puppy", though. |
| 00:18 | < Vornicus> | Well, no, she's not really a puppy. |
| 00:18 | < Vornicus> | But man she can do puppydog eyes. |
| 00:27 | | * jerith nods. |
| 00:27 | < Vornicus> | She's a good dog. |
| 00:32 | <@jerith> | Now I miss Percy. :-(\ |
| 00:32 | <@jerith> | http://jerith.za.net/files/percy.jpg |
| 00:34 | | * Chalcedon gives jerith a cookie |
| 00:39 | | * jerith nibbles. |
| 00:41 | <@jerith> | http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/03/math-for-programmers.html <-- Now I have to add a stack of maths books to the programming books I've been buying recently. |
| 00:42 | < Vornicus> | yey math |
| 00:45 | <@jerith> | Perhaps when (and if) I get around to learning more of that stuff I'll write a couple of CS_lectures posts. |
| 00:59 | | * Vornicus still needs to write his rendering/points/lines lecture for the 3d series. |
| 01:17 | | himi is now known as himi-heading-to-work |
| 01:39 | | * McMartin actually openly linked the To HLL And Back essays off his home page last week. |
| 01:41 | <@McMartin> | http://www.stanford.edu/~mcmartin/retro/HLL/ for those who have not seen it. Unlikely to be of direct use to many. |
| 01:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Have I ever told you that's an awesome title? |
| 01:42 | <@McMartin> | You have not, but it was, of course, selected for its awesomeness. |
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| 01:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ow. |
| 01:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | I decided to reread it while playing Dg2, and my laptop decided it didn't like that and locked solid. |
| 01:54 | <@McMartin> | Dg2? |
| 01:55 | <@McMartin> | Also, adorable kittens! http://www.stanford.edu/~mcmartin/if/avalon/ |
| 01:55 | <@McMartin> | (Technically code-related, as it's an I7 practice project) |
| 01:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | Disgaea 2. |
| 01:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | Written Dg2 to distinguish it from Descent 2 and Diablo 2. |
| 01:56 | <@McMartin> | Aha. |
| 01:56 | | * McMartin didn't realize it had a PC port. |
| 01:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | It doesn't. |
| 01:56 | <@McMartin> | Or, for that matter, an emulatable edition. |
| 01:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | I have a PS2 attached to Durandal's video capture card, and have for the past three years. |
| 01:57 | <@McMartin> | Aha. |
| 01:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | Although it /is/ emulateable, or at least Disgaea 1 is (and Dg2 appears to use the same engine): it was the first game declared working in PCSX2, and in fact the one they used for all initial testing. |
| 01:58 | <@McMartin> | Heh |
| 01:58 | | * McMartin is pretty sure that his PS2 has better graphics capabilities than both Spiff and Zinglon~ |
| 01:58 | <@McMartin> | Well, Zinglon is probably incomparable. |
| 01:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Disgaea isn't terribly graphically demanding anyways. |
| 01:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Tone down the special effects and texture resolution and it would work fine on a PSX. |
| 01:59 | <@McMartin> | Emulators have an annoying tendency to snarf maximal resources at the start, though. |
| 01:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | True. |
| 02:00 | <@McMartin> | Spiff and Zinglon also both rely on main memory for VRAM, but Zinglon at least has pixel shaders. |
| 02:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ew. |
| 02:02 | <@McMartin> | "The conflicting forces of kitten and toast cause it to spin in the chamber, providing your laser cannon with unlimited power." |
| 02:03 | <@Mahal> | ..... |
| 02:03 | <@McMartin> | *** You have, indeed, shown them all *** |
| 02:04 | | * Chalcedon ... |
| 02:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | > SHOW THOSE FOOLS FROM THE INSTITUTE, as I recall. |
| 02:05 | <@McMartin> | "What do you want to show those fools from the institute?" |
| 02:05 | <@McMartin> | > SHOW THEM ALL |
| 02:05 | <@McMartin> | http://www.stanford.edu/~mcmartin/if/science/ |
| 02:05 | <@McMartin> | (Kitten: shown. Iron filings: shown. String: shown. Buttered toast: shown. etc. etc.) |
| 02:06 | <@McMartin> | (Even your evil scientific heart loves kittens.) |
| 02:07 | <@McMartin> | You can also > PITY THE FOOLS, but it objects that you are not Mr. T. |
| 02:08 | | * jerith giggles. |
| 02:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 02:09 | <@McMartin> | (That particular work was made primarily to have fun with the language. |
| 02:14 | <@McMartin> | "After showing a component (called their doom) to those fools from the Institute: |
| 02:14 | <@McMartin> | now their doom is sealed; continue the action." |
| 02:14 | <@McMartin> | That's actual code. |
| 02:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | That bit I remember. |
| 02:14 | | * Vornicus <3 Inform 7. |
| 02:15 | | * Vornicus then calls quitting time, and gets the hell out of here. |
| 02:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | (and indeed, bits of the miniIF I'm working on were inspired by this) |
| 02:15 | <@McMartin> | Heh |
| 02:16 | | * McMartin has run into a fair number of warts in Inform 7, but he has decent workarounds for them and it's been worth the pain so far. |
| 02:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | It is in fact set in the Institute. I'm rather proud of the Kitten Turbine. |
| 02:17 | | * McMartin actually looted The Institute from Narbonic, though it is of course a long-standing trope. |
| 02:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | It probably bears no resemblance to the Narbonic version, since I haven't read that. Just the general idea. |
| 02:18 | <@McMartin> | Heh |
| 02:18 | <@McMartin> | You should, Narbonic is awesome~ |
| 02:19 | <@McMartin> | But yeah, there was a discussion about the causes of Science Madness |
| 02:19 | <@McMartin> | "Leading causes include isolation, etc., etc., the laughter of fools..." "Wait. The laughter of fools?" "Particularly those fools from the Institute." |
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| 02:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | It is, in fact, set in wing 7 of the Institute shortly after an unspecified mad scientist has Shown Them All. |
| 02:21 | <@McMartin> | I find this premise entertaining. |
| 02:21 | <@McMartin> | Far too often the Abandoned Research Lab genre is too full of teh zOMGANGSTZ0Rz. |
| 02:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | The /original/ seed of an idea was generated by Poe's "Every Time You Drag Science (SCIENCE! ) Into A Fantasy Discussion, God Kills A Catgirl" poster. |
| 02:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | And that's all I'm saying for now. |
| 03:36 | < Vornicus-Latens> | McM, didn't the genesis have a z80? |
| 03:40 | <@McMartin> | Apparently, but that wasn't its sole processor |
| 03:40 | <@McMartin> | Its main proc was a 68000. |
| 03:45 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Yeah, I knew the main one was a 68k |
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| 03:45 | <@McMartin> | TF has actually done direct disassembly work on Genesis carts, so he'd know better than I. |
| 03:46 | < Vornicus> | ah yes. |
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| 04:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes, it has a Z80. It's used for the sound subsystem (the sound chips are mapped into memory owned by the Z80), but I don't know what else. |
| 04:12 | <@McMartin> | TF: How does that work? Do they each get their own sets of code to run? Does the 68k load it with code? |
| 04:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | I *think* the 68k loads it with code, but I don't really know; I didn't study the startup sequence. |
| 04:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | All I was after were the music pointers. |
| 04:14 | | * McMartin nods |
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| 04:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Argh. |
| 04:24 | <@jerith> | Argh? |
| 04:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Leela hardlocked again. |
| 04:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Syslog shows nothing of interest. |
| 04:25 | <@jerith> | :-( |
| 05:05 | <@jerith> | Not so yay for weird bugs that manifest days after the actual cause and don't leave anything in the logs. :-( |
| 05:05 | <@jerith> | Especially when part of tha manifestation is a lack of other logs. |
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| 21:02 | <@Vornicus> | Flyspray is really easy to install. It tells you all the things you need to have for it to work, and tells you whether it's currently available. |
| 21:04 | <@MahalWork> | flyspray is? |
| 21:05 | <@Vornicus> | A web-based bug tracker. |
| 21:07 | <@Chalcedon> | an appropriately named one apparently... |
| 21:07 | <@Vornicus> | yes. |
| 21:07 | <@Vornicus> | It's the primary competitor to Bugzilla. |
| 21:09 | <@MahalWork> | Why will Opera only let me download four files at once? |
| 21:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Mahal: are you downloading them all from the same site? |
| 21:11 | <@MahalWork> | Yes. |
| 21:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Preferences -> Advanced -> Network, adjust "Max connections to a server" |
| 21:11 | <@MahalWork> | ... is 8. |
| 21:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | It defaults to 4, IIRC. Further connections are queued until an existing one closes. |
| 21:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | o.O |
| 21:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | What's it blocked on? |
| 21:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | "Connection queued", or "sending request"? |
| 21:13 | <@MahalWork> | It's unblocked now. |
| 21:13 | <@MahalWork> | And I am getting what (forme in NZ) is some VERY SHINY throughput. |
| 21:14 | <@MahalWork> | 250KB/s average down =beams= |
| 21:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | "Connection queued" means it's hit one of Opera's internal limits and it will open the connection when a slot opens up. |
| 21:14 | <@MahalWork> | Yes, that was the issue. |
| 21:14 | <@MahalWork> | I didn't know Opera did that |
| 21:14 | <@Vornicus> | some sites limit the number of connections you can make to a server, too. |
| 21:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | "Sending request" means that the /server/ imposes limitations on the number of simultaneous connections and is holding it open without sending a reply until one of its slots opens. |
| 21:15 | <@MahalWork> | I have no issues with the server doing so. |
| 21:15 | <@MahalWork> | I do object to my browser doing the thinking for me. |
| 21:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | But you said Opera was set to 8. |
| 21:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | In which case it should have let you open 8. |
| 21:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | 4 implies that it was server-side throttling. |
| 21:15 | <@MahalWork> | well, upping the limit let me open more files. |
| 21:15 | <@MahalWork> | No, it wasn't. |
| 21:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Huh. |
| 21:15 | <@MahalWork> | I upped the Opera limit to 64 and I was able to grab all the others simultaneously. |
| 21:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Are you sure you had no other open connections to that server, then? |
| 21:16 | <@MahalWork> | I had: |
| 21:16 | <@MahalWork> | 4 downloads |
| 21:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | This limit doesn't apply just to downloads, it's global. |
| 21:16 | <@MahalWork> | + one page load |
| 21:16 | <@MahalWork> | (i know) |
| 21:16 | <@MahalWork> | STill not eight. |
| 21:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | So if it was, for example, still trying to load four inline images or stylesheets or something... |
| 21:16 | <@MahalWork> | Nope. |
| 21:16 | <@MahalWork> | Directory listing was it. |
| 21:16 | <@MahalWork> | and that was loaded. |
| 21:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Weird. |
| 21:16 | | * MahalWork shrugs |
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| 21:31 | <@Vornicus> | Some download managers (and possibly opera) will open multiple connections using HTTP resume to get things faster than server throttling would normally allow. |
| 21:31 | <@MahalWork> | That could've been it. |
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| 21:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Opera, as far as I know, does not do this. |
| 21:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which is yet another reason I prefer it over Firefox, which does, and thus breaks horribly on some sites. |
| 21:43 | <@Mahal> | It matters little. |
| 21:44 | <@Mahal> | I have the files I wanted, with the exception of one whihc appears to be corrupt. |
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